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As long as it's not BioWare clothed sex I'm fine. Fade to black or Witcher style show everything work just fine.

Personally I think The Witcher scenes are a little over the top for something that's just supposed to be a game. I mean I don't mind the scenes per say ... but damn I have the internet for that crap.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer romance from Baldurs gate 2.
Long and rich dialogue where you can see the emerging relationship.

I don't need any scenes, pictures or fade to black.

Since the story of D:OS connects with the pre-story of DD, I would guess the Original Sin was a tad bit more related to magical forbidden knowledge than romantic. The mage guild was doing some experiments that had Duke Hark Ferol execute their leader and expel the rest from Stormfist castle, which eventually lead them to make a deal with the Lord of Chaos in order to survive and get revenge.

Sorry, life happens. As far a direct connection, I can't recall a direct connection. It was shown to us 2nd graders (some 35yrs ago), we were all born out of sin(sex), and therefore had to be baptized.

I believe the interpretation that O.S. and sex are hand in hand is a product of modern society..check out this
This is modern culture in a nutshell..tell me what Ideas you get from looking at the picture.

Disclaimer: My knowledge on religious matters is not very deep and originates from historical novels and some basic facts told at school. So, please take the following interpretation with the grain of salt.

As far as I can remember the reason why original sin and sex are connected is the following. When Eve offers Adam the apple, they both gain knowledge and recognise that they are both naked (compare 7th verse on http://bibleontheweb.com/bible/ASV/Genesis-3) Hence, a logical conclusion is that they make love to each other and are banished from paradise for this wicked deed (I could imagine that a hint for this interpretation is that before this verse Eve is referred to as a "woman" and after that she is refereed to as a "wife".) Therefore the original sin is the first time Adam and Eve have sex.

Well put, I think I needed another cup o' coffee.

The original sin had nothing to do with sex. The original sin was from the temptation of wanting to be like gods by eating the fruit. Sex had nothing to do with it ... well ... unless you're talking about that movie ...

Now if the Original Sin in this game is the desire to be 'Like God', then it all becomes relevant.

Not sure how this discussion about romance or not got on this train though.

Let's assume that "Original Sin" in the game's name has nothing to do with sex or romance and get back on track shall we.

Where does this idea spout from, interesting concept..but I don't quite understand the connection. Having Original Sin is not god-like, but very mortal. It is one, of many, things that separates us from being gods(according to religious interpretation.)

From wiki
' Adam is recognized by some as having brought death into the world by eating the forbidden fruit. Because of his sin, his descendants will live a mortal life, which will end in death of their bodies'

So it seems to be the opposite, so one could say because we are not god-like, we must work hand-in-hand(ie the game cover) to overcome our defects as mortals.

Not to all 'Sunday School' on the topic, but obviously, whoever taught that was woefully uneducated in the Bible. Sex is not sinful, unless done outside of marriage (fornication/adultery/sodomy). We are all born out of sin - and we do all need to be baptized - but it's passed down from us men, because of the failure of Adam. It has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with the sinful nature of Adam we've inherited. This is the reason Jesus was born without sin, because he had no earthly father to pass sin onto him.



The concept of being "God-like" is that they desired to know the difference between good and evil. Prior to eating the fruit, they did not know what evil was. Afterwards, their eyes were opened. Also, there's no reason to believe they were immortal in the garden of Eden, as God explicitly expelled them so that they wouldn't eat from the tree of life, and become immortal.

Okay, church lesson is over for today. You may now proceed to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Thankyou Father Jito463

I'm not catholic.....nor am I a pastor. Simply someone who loves to study the Bible.

Figured as much, mostly poking fun, I always appreciate peoples thoughts regardless of whether not we agree/disagree.

A bit of a simplification. In his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul portrayed sex as the less moral of the two options when compared to chastity, but acknowledged that marital sex was preferable to "burning." This premise colored much of Catholicism's historical viewpoint of sex and it wouldn't be unfair to say there were long periods where it was viewed as a necessary evil. Of course modern Catholics are likely to be much more optimistic, and part of what separated many protestants from early/mid Catholics was that some of the former had more positive interpretations of marital sex. Protestant writer John Milton, for example, portrays the sexual relationship between Adam and Eve in Paradise Lost to be both wholesome and beautiful.

I do largely agree with everything else you posted, though. The Fall and original sin really have very little to do with sexuality, and I would argue the mainstream perception of the terms is cognizant of that.

daft73 covers it, but it is from the Bible. They desired the fruit as it would allow them to know the difference between good and evil, thus making them like God in that aspect. Obviously that did't work out like they thought it would.

Again, if this game is about the basis of a man or men, who do something to 'be like a god', then the game name becomes relevant to the biblical original sin.

Sex between Adam and Eve, before or after the fall of man, was never sinful as they were in fact "made for each other" and it was always the intent that they would reproduce.

Please, no more Bible...

What about focus the debate on what means "Original Sin" in Divine Divinity world, instead what it means for us?

Although it will still be off-topic, but it will be bearable.

Yeah, I absolutely hate with a passion all things related to any religious text and any form of religion....I would rather worship a zombie, half-fairy unicorn that poops candy....or chocolate cake, that's also awesome. I simply wanted to point out that all the cultural connections and implications have been strongly established by Larian to completely back out and sweep the romance option completely under the rug. A game like DOS I can love because within the fictional world they create everything is real, provable and tangible and no character has to worship any nonsense.

There're a few bits from the earliest announcements of DOS that might give us a clue:

You find the Bible to be unbearable? It's the keystone of the western canon, one of the most enduring and iconic texts that directly or indirectly influences an overwhelming percentage of works written in the western world. What you do or don't feel about its spiritual messages and teachings is your own business and you're entitled to it, but to my eyes this has been a strictly literary and historical discussion of the Bible. And while the topic of original sin might not be in line with the intent of *this thread*, a serious talk about the idea of original sin as it relates to this game that doesn't discuss its Biblical roots is intellectually disingenuous and is likely to go nowhere. Because I find it very unlikely that Larian decided to invoke the idea of original sin without expecting it to allude to the Bible.

Hahahaha this is precious.....I'd tell you a few things I think about this iconic text of western cannon but 95% would be censored.