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I was checking the posts and saw a fair few people knocking Never Winters Night.....Although i do love Divine Divinity and consider it one of the best games i have played i have to admit i also found NWN to be an exceptional game.

I am curious as to why so many people seem to dislike NWN???????

Anyway i enjoyed NWN and intend to play it again and cant wait for any expansion or sequel.

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dont like nwn cause they have to have a name VERY BUGY NIGHTS. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

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The Official Campaign in my opinion and many others is terrible. It's a boring hack fest without a good story/dialogue and bad item drops. Some modules are good but in general it's just hack and slash except not as good as Diablo 2/DD are at it... (D2 for pure hack, DD for more rpg hack).
Also some of the skills are useless (especially in official campaign), mainly the non-"combat" orientated ones.

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I certainly don't want to bash on NWN but it was "overhyped". When I played it I liked it a lot but all the hype was a bit exagerated. Considering the fact that Divinbe <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> had almost no marketing-budget (Those German bast**ds from CDV nagdamned can't even reckognize a good game when it is in front of their bloody nose) it is however remarkable to see how the game became a big hit by sheer mouth-to-mouth publicity.

Therefore IMHO I think that DD really deserves a higher score than NWN. Something like the little ugly duck who became a beautifull swan after all.

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NWN wasn't that bad... The multiplayer system was quite good and there are quality mods out there. But the single player campaign is too boring. The first 2 chapters/acts were okay, but the plot dragged too much after that (basically, there was no plot advancement after that, only more lackluster hack and slash). The graphics are nice, but too repetative. I would prefer to have pre-rendered background with 3d models (ala Lionheart and Pool of Radiance 2) rather than a fully 3d engine. Oh, and lets not forget about the crates, LOTS of them! Why in the world (Faerun???) would people keep their stuff in crates? And why does it take so long to appear after you destroy the crates? I think they should name it Evercrates Nights.

Probably the only good thing is the implementation of D&D 3rd Edition rules. But with all the problems, I would rather load my copy of Icewind Dale 2 than play another hour of NWN if I wanted D&D.


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Well, I enjoyed NWN, and am looking forward to the expansion. Not the best rpg I ever played, but nice 3d engine and generally fun to play. I do hope the single player storyline is improved in the expansion though. I found myself getting bored near the end of the original SP game.

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baaah ..nwn is ok ..the only Problem is that they didnt a subtem items..or should i said rare items to collect...the fightin mode is pretty fun..the toolset is cool...just did liek when pple comng in with godlike items it kill the game for me. DD kickass it just didnt support a MP option <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

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I guess i just like that type of game.

I have played a few RPG's and cant get enough of them.

NWN in my book is the start of great things to come with the graphic quality and game play getting better and better.

Dungeon Siege is deffinately worth a look for people who like games of this nature although i found it ended too abruptly and seemed to be missing something in the story line towards the end. I cant put my finger on it but it seemed to be headed somewhere great then ended.

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I liked NWN. It took me a little bit to warm up to it. MPing through the main story was probably the best way for me to go. It was great fun playing with another person and talking about the quests, fights and strategy. Made it almost seem like PnP in a way. I had some problems with the game since it is a resource heavy game. But once I recognized that and turned off things I didn't need ( just like I had to with DD) it worked fine. I like that patches and improvements are easy to get and regularly done. The last patch caused some major headaches, though. I hope to see patch 1.29 soon to fix those. The toolset is neat as well. I liked making a little mini mod to try it out. Twas fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

However, even at it's buggiest ( and I have some nifty screenies to show for it) NWN never, never, crashed me to desktop or a BSOD like <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> has. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> is a great game but has some major problems as well. And has only one patch to date to fix those things.

DungeonSeige was ok, at first. Even though it is linear, it had good graphics and I liked the system of your characters getting better at the things you had them doing. The problem with it, in my opinion, was that it was too linear. You couldn't go back, really. I like having a base of operations. In DS if you dropped an NPC from your party you were really leaving them behind. I never fininshed it as the more I played it the more it made me want to play Diablo 2, strangly enough. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

But this is all apples to oranges as each game is completely different from the other. That is what is so great about them as they cater to those different gaming moods. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
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I finished NWN, and still have it installed, so I didn't completely despise the game.

I was disappointed by the graphics, 3D or not. The tilesets were too generic, and it just isn't much to look at. Those weird ramps for walking up hills and the trees gave it a very Lego look. It looked like a Warhammer table.

There was no sense of discovery and exploration because every environment looked and worked the same. Basically, you just click on someone in genertic Village A, and keep hitting the "1" key until you have an option for "I accept" and the read your journal to find where generic dungeon B is, and go kill generic monster X.

I wasn't thrilled by the multi-player because, firstly, 90% of online gamers are complete jerks. And second, all the maps have the same drawbacks as the single player campaign. The tilesets are usually the same; the corridors are still nice right-angles; the hills still have ramps. The only difference is the name of the tavern you start in and the name of the Ranger that tells you go kill generic orc X in generic dungeon C. Naturally, there's a generic dragon Y in there too. Ho hum.

I liked the interface. I liked Aribeth-- those are some great textures on those polygons-- but overall the game was mediocre. I think I was hoping for a game that looked like Dungeon Siege, and had the depth of BG2.



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it was a good game...NWN that is. You do realize that this is a DD site so that may clue you into why people bash other games some here are slightly(sarcasm) biased.

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I'm not biased ^^ I just check in now and again for the patch and such. But NWN is MUCH better when you download some GOOD mods, but the OC and many of the mods are total crap. Also, the reason the tiles are repetitive is ease of use to make mods, I think that's basically what it was designed as, a user end game toolset.

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NWN ought to burn eternally in the deepest pits of Baator as far as I'm concerned. Why?

The official campaign:
1. The plot is horrible beyond horrible. Predictable from start to finish. Not a single plot twist you can't see coming several miles off, and good lord, why am I calling them "plot twists" at all? The end battle was simply cheap.
2. Some sub-plots disregards the FR canon. Creator Races? Please. Do your research, for the love of gods. And I thought only fanfiction writers spewed such garbage without doing their homework. A professional, paid storywriter actually doing it ticks me off big time.
3. The misportrayal of the character Elaith Craulnober, disregarding any and all of his personality traits as shown in the novels. Yes, I'm a canon purist. Yes, I'm an Elaith fangirl, although I bet most of you don't even know him outside NWN, or even remember him in NWN. (FYI - Elaith "The Serpent" Craulnober whom you meet in the second chapter, asking you to retrieve some gems for him, initiating the quest "The Serpent's Gems" that spans several areas.)
4. The henchmen AI. How to put it? Stupid? Idiotic? Dumb? Loathesome? Pathetic? Nearly unusable? Should be shot in the kneecaps and thrown into a vat of boiling acid?
5. Cannot control summoned creatures and henchmen directly.
6. Repetitive tilesets. Didn't take me long to realize that all dungeons, forests, and cities look exactly the same.
7. Horrible graphics. If this is the best you can do with 3D, Bioware, go back to 2D isometric, please. Throw Aurora Engine into the wastebasket while you're at it.
8. Mediocre interface. I'm being polite.
9. Overhyped. Way, way overhyped. It irritates me to think that better games like PS:T didn't get anywhere as much advertisement.
10. Summary: This is Diablo 2 with worse interface and worse graphics, plus a shaky grasp of 3E D&D rules slapped on top.

Multiplayer:

Mediocre. Unless I find people I know somewhat, I'd rather go play EverQuest for multiplayer experience, thank you very much.

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wow you really need something to do in your spare time other than play video games

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I am curious as to why so many people seem to dislike NWN???????


because i can't stand the first chapter. luna has told me time and time again that the game gets better once you get past that part, but i can't be bothered to trudge through such a major annoyance when i can simpley play NCAA football 2003 instead.

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Wow.....thats amazing............:-)

I bought and played the game for sheer enjoyment and i found it to be great to play as have many of the gaming magazines who rate games and rated NWN as one of the best games ever.

But regardless of what they think i guess it comes down to personal choice and i thoroughly enjoyed the game as i do DD.

I dont try to analize the games to that extent just play and enjoy them.

But i still believe that NWN is the start of better things to come and any future developments from the game will only be better and more fun.

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Uh I played NWN, and this is most "suckable" game from Black Isle I ve ever seen.

Bladurs Gate I and II perfect, Planescape perfect, (hope their next RPG will be perfect too)

NwN Single is boring... it is just go and slash, and also 99percent of monsters U can kill easily and the last 1% are Bosses and stuff, Tale is boring, all that will hapend there U know, so just running around and killing monsters wow wow wow.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />, just Diablo 3D <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, Multiplayer is quite good, like the thought of servers and worlds is good...

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Black Isle didn't make Neverwinter, though. Bioware did.


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Well, I like Neverwinter Nights very much for the online aspect. I play with a group of people twice a week and it is great fun.

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who you talking to?

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Maybe Irony. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

I don't like NWN, and therefore I have always had discussions with a friend of mine, who is also a big RPG gamer (like me).

He likes NWN, and I don't that's why we have lots of discussions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

So, why don't I like NWN ?

There are basically two reasons for it :

A) It was halfway translated into german.

Don't be fooled by what I just wrote: I meant it ! NWN was halfway translated into german, which means half of the text / program is german, half is still english. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

I think, a company, which isn't able to properly a game into ANY language doesn't deserve my money. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

B) The Single-Player Campaign (someone at RPGDot.con even called it a "Demo" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> is simply too boring as far as I have heard ( and I usually collect lots of infor,ation before buying a game ! ) : It seems to me like a simple demonstration of what the Multiplayer Part could be like. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> And what the game could be like with well written modules. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

In fact, NWN didn't receive much points by some gaming mas just because of that: They tested NWN only with what shipped with it, and decidec that it wasn't as good as it could've been.

What's more: I don't like the idea behind this: The devs emphasized the Multiplayer part, leaving the Soloplayer part behind. I won't búy a MUltiplayer-oriented game (that's what NWN is for me) when I'm not able to play it (I cannot play within a LAN or by Internet: I don't have friends for that and playing by Internet would still be too expensive for me... )

In short: I don't like NWN because it's so MP oriented, and because it was so badly translated.

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wow you really need something to do in your spare time other than play video games


Me?

And you gleaned that from what, pray tell? Analyzing a game that I find distasteful makes me fixtated with video games, or spend all my spare time playing them? Wow, you have wonderful logic going on there! Who taught you to think like that? Because I want to know what kind of drugs your teacher was using. I want some, too.

Oh, and FYI, I spend most of my spare time reading and writing - I don't pick up new games that often anymore, considering the stale "RPGs" they put out lately. And lastly -- there're things called capital letters, proper sentence structure and punctuation. They don't bite, trust me.

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It was halfway translated into german.

Don't be fooled by what I just wrote: I meant it ! NWN was halfway translated into german, which means half of the text / program is german, half is still english.


That amazes me, and makes me even more disgusted with Bioware. I mean, ugh, many fan-made (!) mods for BG2 actually have translations in other languages, like German or Spanish. I stresss. Fan-made.

Good gods!

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I'm pretty sure I remember reading an interview regarding NWN long ago that mentioned that it was being designed more for a toolset for computerized GM & Players type playstyle [read as multiplayer with human GMs rather then scripted npcs] rather then a game for a single player which had me turned off to the product. Later when it came to production the Official Campaign was tossed in more as a second thouht then as the main part of the product.

Course I could be wrong, might be a touch of early senility lol

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I had this in mind, too. I thought I remembered something similar, but I'm not sure anymore (too long ago).

Someone I know and who has been part of that community since its very beginning even told me (after buying the original english version) that he didn't like it.
It seemed to me as if NWN was too "weak" for him - I mean depth of story.


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Also, the reason the tiles are repetitive is ease of use to make mods, I think that's basically what it was designed as, a user end game toolset.


That's a great goal, and NWN is just fine as a concept. But no matter many mods there are and with or without a live DM, the hills still have funky ramps and the corridors all meet at nice right angles, and the environments are still largely noninteractive and uninteresting.

The map editor is tile-based because the engine is tile-based. It's all a 2D grid. They could have supported .X or .3ds files directly, or at least have included an importer in the toolset. Textures could have been standard dx or even bmp. We'd have seen cool modules set in the Underdark swarming with Beholders in about 2 days.

As it is, it's a great toolset for developing really generic, boring modules and playing with a live DM who can come up with really creative ways to make an NPC tell you to go kill a boring generic monster in either the gray cavern tileset or the crypt tileset which is right up that hill-ramp and through the hole in the treeline that make a perfect rectangle around the generic village with the generic tavern you "woke up" in.

Which is a start; it's more than we had three years ago. I'll buy the sequel.

DD, come to think of it, is the same. But NWN feels very sterile. There's no charm to it. It reeks of "game engine", if that makes sense.



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just a thought.

Could it be that the reason it was designed to make setting up mods etc easy was for those of us who dont have a) the skill or b) the imagination or c) the knowledge to do wonderous things with mods?

Not sure if this was a thought but it would be a good learning tool for those who have never done anything like this before. I still havent made one but will look at it eventually.

I could be wrong (and have been before)

Anyway i do like the game and i guess thats what is important to each of us <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> hehe

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I have the feeling as if you're right.

I might be wrong, though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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just a thought.

Could it be that the reason it was designed to make setting up mods etc easy was for those of us who dont have a) the skill or b) the imagination or c) the knowledge to do wonderous things with mods?

Anyway i do like the game and i guess thats what is important to each of us <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> hehe
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Sure, they've stated that that was one of their goals. Which makes it even more important to have more variety in tilesets and such, I would think.

But hey, I didn't despise the game. I'm grateful for any RPG, especially one that makes important advances like NWN did. And I'm glad it was successful so they're encouraged to make more. I'm also convinced that a sequel will be much better now that they've proven the concept and got the fundamental plumbing in place.

I pick on the game, but I'm glad I bought it. I still play it every once in a while, too.



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Cool.

I will be interested to see what the next RPG they bring out is like and by then hopefully all those keen MOD makers will have their skills sharpened and be able to blow our mind with exciting things....this will only continue to increase the designers knowledge and idea base by seeing what all those other RPG fans can do with what they offer.....things are only going to get better and better!!!!!!!


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The NWN single player sucked mucho asso but the MP was pretty good, the whole 'make ure own weapons' thing was great <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I do and i dont like NWN... here are my veiws
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I dont like NWN for 5 things
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1. I don't like 3rd edition rules cuz they allow a wizard to be able to equipe platemail armour along with some other completly unrealistic feats. Perhaps though this is because I've been playing 2nd edition since 1992.... I'm just not used to third editon cuz I don't like the fact my wizard should be able to equipe any armour except robes, and cloaks...

2. The experiance levels are all the same for every class. In core 3rd edition rules even this is not possible because every class has a differnt experiance cap to reach the next level. Like a paladin has 2200 experiance to reach level 2 and the wizard needs 2500 to reach level 2... but in NWN it is all 1000 experiance for every class.... so every player online will have all the same levels and experiance points meaning the class's are really are all the same just differnt abilitys and feats....


3. The game can get boring after a short period of time because the difficulty of the game was not enough (that is why i basicly stopped playing it anyways) I bought this game cuz i played the baldurs gate series.... great game, but i think the reason why NWN was so much differnt was not only because of the new engine and the new rules but also that bioware did not have blackisle take part in the developement of the game. Im shure if they took part in it they would have had a better story and more immersiveness (don't get me wrong though bioware did a great job on the official campaign modules.. the only problem is that they didnt focus enough on replayability and many other factors that the other rpg's have) (also graphix is nice but it dosnt make a game great.... i feel they focused to much on how the game "looked")


4. A major gripe with all of biowares game is that you can only be a villin if you are the evil pool in your alignment.... you can never be truely evil like the charecters you meet in the game.... in the baldurs gate series i chose lawful evil because Bhaal the assasin was a lawful evil lvl40 assasin... most of the bhaal childern are evil simply because they have the blood of a murderer within them. However i never could really be like bhaal because i could not be a true evil figure in these games.... the same thing goed for NWN.... it is because they put you always with the goodie charecters doing goodie main goals.... in nwn they should have made 2 main goals one for good charecters and the other for an evil charecter.



5. Not enough freedom... felt like i was in a quake 3 game playing in an arena with invisable walls.



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1. Multiplayer is gotta be one of the major things for me.... i liked it for this option. and also the module builder that came with the toolset.


2. Good graphics, and ripples in the water for 128 meg cards (Like i said though it dosnt make a game) also i liked the artwork and the story.


3. music has always been good in there games i liked that.


4. Constant updates are always good for any game.


5. the amount of what you could do with NWN and the toolset.







conclusion: yes a good game but for me it wore out and i never touched the game again... and probably wont for sometime. I like a game that has good replayability..... there is many factors why i dont play the game anymore.... most of it though is just bordem, and also NWN was just too easy for me.... i didnt even have to lift a finger to defeate most of all the enemies.... This is just me though



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There are so very few CPRG's that allow for the playing of truely evil characters, though. Even in DD you end up doing the good thing, even if you killed everyone you met. You end up saving the world, instead of having like the option to become the new evil. All those games have limited story lines from necessity ( I mean, there is only so much programming a game can have) and usually they involve saving the world from some impending doom. Well, some of us want to be that doom, not stop it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I started a rant on another games forum over a year ago about this, seeing what people thought of the subject. Maybe it is time to do it again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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Black and White is the only game I've seen that does it right. Pity I don't like it.

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There are so very few CPRG's that allow for the playing of truely evil characters, though. Even in DD you end up doing the good thing, even if you killed everyone you met. You end up saving the world, instead of having like the option to become the new evil. All those games have limited story lines from necessity ( I mean, there is only so much programming a game can have) and usually they involve saving the world from some impending doom. Well, some of us want to be that doom, not stop it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

I started a rant on another games forum over a year ago about this, seeing what people thought of the subject. Maybe it is time to do it again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


I agree with you luna on many points and you are right they really never have put a true evil rollplaying option in many rpgs... the only rpgs that i have played were i could be a true evil was in Everquest and anarachy online.


however these are way way way differnt from the rpgs were are talking about here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

i also agree there is only a certain amount of course to add to the games nowadays especially the dates the dev's have to put out the games. I like divine divinity and i was amazed how large and vast the game is... not many games now adays are really all that large simply because most companys don't have the time to put all those features in.... the only rpg's that i can think of that allow almost everything are online rpgs... but of course they are charged a fee every month..... simply reason why i dont play them anymore... cuz I'ma bum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />


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There are so very few CPRG's that allow for the playing of truely evil characters, though. Even in DD you end up doing the good thing, even if you killed everyone you met. You end up saving the world, instead of having like the option to become the new evil. All those games have limited story lines from necessity ( I mean, there is only so much programming a game can have) and usually they involve saving the world from some impending doom. Well, some of us want to be that doom, not stop it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


well, considering the point of most games is to save something, either the world, or the princess it's hard to make a game so that you can take the evil road, when the whole point of the game is to do a good deed.

you need an open ended game like morrowind (from my experience it's open ended).

you can actually turn NWN into that kind of game simply by creating a mod where instead of saving the princess from the evil guy who is forcing her to marry him, thus making him king the objective is to kidnap the princess and force her to marry you, all while doing various other things such as fight off the obnoxious knights trying to save her so *they* can have her hand in marriage.

and to be honest, i'm quite surprised that you, of all people, failed to mention the great games that are dungeon keeper and dungeon keeper II. after all, you are the one who got me to get those games <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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i remember that rant too. didn't turn out so well, i remember correctly.

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I like NWN. Of course DD single player is much better than NWN.


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What I never understood, was, how can someone want to play "evil style" ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

But I accept that everyone should be allowed to do like he/she wishes (at least in RPG games).


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What I never understood, was, how can someone want to play "evil style" ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

But I accept that everyone should be allowed to do like he/she wishes (at least in RPG games).



was a lawful evil mage in baldurs gate 1, 2 and tob

i like to play the underdog cuz most people choose goodie charecters <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />


however since last year i have been rollplaying fighter/cleric's... i got bored of playing the evil alignments.. I have been rollplaying them since i was 12 on the pen and paper (1992)... and now I'm 23 i am more interested in playing the chaotic goods now that try to help out the poor and the weak... i don't know perhaps it is because i want to rollplay a charecter that suites a person with the same values as me and make that charecter come to life. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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What I never understood, was, how can someone want to play "evil style" ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

But I accept that everyone should be allowed to do like he/she wishes (at least in RPG games).


I always play good characters. It is easier for me to do so since it comes naturally. I really believe that people want to help other people. If they hear someone calling for help, they will try to help.

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In the controled environment of a game it is fun to be bad. But few games will allow one to do so. I don't even mean like chaotic evil that might kill someone just for looking at them. I mean like the lawful evil types that are out for themselves. They might not help you unless you pay them, and sometimes not even then. Even that type of self-absorbed evil isn't very playable since the games are slanted towards good. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


I could have been very happy not knowing that. "Game over, man! Game over!"
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i agree. i enjoy being bad sometimes in a video game because it is, after a ll, a game and non one really gets hurt.

tka The Sims game for example. i used to do experiments with fireplaces in tiony rooms and various people. plus i once did a story line where my guy constantly married for money and the wife mysteriously drowned the next day.

in real life however, i can't imagine myself being anything other than a goody goody. just like i can't imagine you being anything other than a goody goody in real life.

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I always play Chaotic Good... seems to me more like how I am... though sometimes I tend towards the Lawful part, or like Lawful neutral

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Lawful Neutral is always my favorite...

I like the idea of doing whats right no matter who it upsets.

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I also like playing "chaotic good" - that's what I'm most of the time in Real Life ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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I prefer Chaotic Neutral, myself. Cares about nothing, adapts as needed, doesn't give a damn about either good or evil, unpredictable.

But harder to roleplay than it sounds, though.

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Try Ice Wind Dale II , You'll like it if you liked BG1 & 2 should <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />also get the Expansion BG2 Throne of Baal the final conflict... I'm Sad to see it end.. I've played it all the way thru like 20 times. the last time was in insane mode. my character is maxed out.oh well. Maybe they'll resurrect someone and have a BG 3 Return to the Throne of Baal.. we can only dream.

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I really enjoy neverwinter night but the only problem is im stuck betweein that and divine divinity oh well


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Neverwinter nights wasn't for me... after all these talks about beautiful 3d graphics and many other features, NWN was really dissapointing game to me after baldur's gate 2. Graphics too repetitive, battles too easy, it reminded Diablo at some points.
Divine Divinity on other hand is way more interesting, just it got REALLY boring after becoming divine one, i was working to fininsh that game. Although there were many quests that made me laugh, so overall it was ok, i just missed some company besides me, that was cheering me most of the time in baldur's gate 2. But NWN doesn't give you companions either, just 1 mercenary, that isn't interested in advewnturing, it seems, just doing his/her job.
So DD is better, but baldur's gate 2 is still something to reach for both these games, DD should get a bit more complicated fighting system, hit, hit, kill, be it spell, arrow or sword is still the same.

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Lar soon saw that this was exactly for many people the "Point of Borance" . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />


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I enjoyed nwn and also dungeon seige although both became somewhat mundane towards the end nwn online is ok (mostly cos its free and easily acceccable) I have only been playing DD for a week but am enjoying it a great deal.Baldurs gate 2 is still my all time fave though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


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