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Did you count Halsin in the companions?

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Originally Posted by Telephasic
I'm not sure I agree that the female characters need to be "nice." But Larian seems to have tied niceness to approval, and right now the female companions tend to be pretty cold/mean to you if you go around doing heroic things. This is disappointing, because I feel like as a good character I'm locked out of the female romance options (or even just a close friendship) due to not wanting to be an asshole to everyone.


Maybe your good character should stop being such a horndog and forget about boning the evil priestess or the space nazi wink

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Too many hamsters, vampires, werewolves, aliens and devil spawns to my liking. Everyone is so extra special that it becomes mundane.

I'm missing a normal person you can actually relate to. How about an aspiring human squire who can become a knight in shining armor or a dark blackguard based on your adventures and choices. Why try so hard to make everyone so "different" when it should be more about personalities and choices.

Also, would be nice to get more variety. A good cleric, evil female sorcerer, a living Rogue...


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Originally Posted by Telephasic
The issue of "niceness" is separate from alignment. Someone can be a Lawful Evil type and be completely affable...to your face. In contrast, someone can be a genuinely good character and be pretty gruff. Jaheira (though she's technically True Neutral) is a good example.

I'm not sure I agree that the female characters need to be "nice." But Larian seems to have tied niceness to approval, and right now the female companions tend to be pretty cold/mean to you if you go around doing heroic things. This is disappointing, because I feel like as a good character I'm locked out of the female romance options (or even just a close friendship) due to not wanting to be an asshole to everyone.

Yup. No romance for you if you are male, straight, and actually role-play your PC as good-aligned. For now.

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Minsc and Boo as companions fills my heart with joy. It just might make up for all the fire everywhere. wink Just kidding it won't but OMG I'll love having them around again.

Edit.. Them not him

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Originally Posted by kanisatha

Yup. No romance for you if you are male, straight, and actually role-play your PC as good-aligned. For now.


I actually decided to play a lesbian character when I heard everyone was playersexual anyway. If I have to look at my character from the third person all the time, better it be someone I think is attractive. But functionally speaking it's identical in terms of lack of choice. I haven't even gotten to dream about the hot tattooed halfling I created since I don't use the tadpole powers.

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Too many hamsters, vampires, werewolves, aliens and devil spawns to my liking. Everyone is so extra special that it becomes mundane.

I'm missing a normal person you can actually relate to. How about an aspiring human squire who can become a knight in shining armor or a dark blackguard based on your adventures and choices. Why try so hard to make everyone so "different" when it should be more about personalities and choices.

Also, would be nice to get more variety. A good cleric, evil female sorcerer, a living Rogue...



I think Larian mistook what makes for compelling characters. You don't need a weird/unique backstory to make a character interesting. You need the character to have relatable, understandable motives.

So far, Wyll, Asterion, and Gale have all opened up to me enough that I can see hints of their inner pain. In contrast, neither Lae'zel nor Shadowheart want to share a damn thing with me. Which makes it hard to find them compelling, at least on this playthrough.

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Larian do seem to have mistaken 'edgy' for 'attractive'. Don't get me wrong, I know that edgy is a turn-on for some people, but the female characters on offer are a weird frog-humanoid, and a woman with huge bat-ears (facially attractive, I agree, but those ears are just too alien for me). Looks and race aside, they are both just nasty people. Is this what passes for 'sexy' in Larian's studios?

I generally, but not exclusively, play my female characters as lesbians (it is easier for me to imagine romancing female characters), but I see nothing on offer romance-wise. My poor dwarf will have to remain celibate for now.

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Originally Posted by Sadurian
Larian do seem to have mistaken 'edgy' for 'attractive'. Don't get me wrong, I know that edgy is a turn-on for some people, but the female characters on offer are a weird frog-humanoid, and a woman with huge bat-ears (facially attractive, I agree, but those ears are just too alien for me). Looks and race aside, they are both just nasty people. Is this what passes for 'sexy' in Larian's studios?


Well we are playing a D&D game, 5/8 races have bat ears.


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Originally Posted by Sadurian
Larian do seem to have mistaken 'edgy' for 'attractive'. Don't get me wrong, I know that edgy is a turn-on for some people, but the female characters on offer are a weird frog-humanoid, and a woman with huge bat-ears (facially attractive, I agree, but those ears are just too alien for me). Looks and race aside, they are both just nasty people. Is this what passes for 'sexy' in Larian's studios?


The appearance of the characters doesn't even enter into it when I'm considering romance when playing a game. For a long period the characters were just a single static picture, and following that were rendered with about as much accuracy as a blow-up doll. A game romance is about the story, not the rendered tits or whatever. I could watch porn if I cared about that.

Let me note though that I think nasty can work in a romance. Morrigan from Dragon Age: Origins was the most popular romance option by far in that game (partially because Liliana is hard to romance as a man) and she's a total bitch (and arguably chaotic evil as well). However - the important thing is she's not a closed person. She's starts explaining her POV regarding the world quite early on, and even if you do "good" things she disapproves of it's possible to gain her favor through gifts and personal conversations.

One could of course argue that the system is "gamey" - and that Larian's system of closed NPCs who you have to earn the trust of is more realistic to how people would act. That said, players want a game, not reality. They want some tangible reward for their actions, and they want things to happen easier in games than RL, since to some extent RPGs are a form of wish-fulfillment. Arguably, people want affirmation in games in part because there are plenty of closed-off assholes IRL. They don't want more closed-off assholes inside games as well.

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Originally Posted by Arideya
Well we are playing a D&D game, 5/8 races have bat ears.

True enough, and D&D has even more races, some that don't have ears or who are furry or made of stone or whatever. I doubt that I would be eager to romance them, either!

It is one of the oddities of so many sentient humanoid races - players (and developers) seem to want to have them appeal to human (player) mind. Hence most of the standard races basically resemble humans with extra bits stuck on. Even representations of the Githyanki are becoming more humanised (compare the 'modern' versions to the creature on the old Fiend Folio). Monstrous and alien is becoming familiar, sympathetic and more human-like.

Anyhow, I'm not one who has ever really found D&D's elves attractive. They are elves, a different species, not just slim humans.

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Originally Posted by Sadurian

Anyhow, I'm not one who has ever really found D&D's elves attractive. They are elves, a different species, not just slim humans.


Humans finding elves attractive (and vice versa) is absolutely something which exists within universe however. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many half-elves. Thus I think it's safe to include human characters are supposed to find elves hot, or at least "doable."

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I remember the infamous sourcebook which included all manner of halfbreeds and results of cross-species encounters.

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Originally Posted by Arideya
Well we are playing a D&D game, 5/8 races have bat ears.

True enough, and D&D has even more races, some that don't have ears or who are furry or made of stone or whatever. I doubt that I would be eager to romance them, either!

It is one of the oddities of so many sentient humanoid races - players (and developers) seem to want to have them appeal to human (player) mind. Hence most of the standard races basically resemble humans with extra bits stuck on. Even representations of the Githyanki are becoming more humanised (compare the 'modern' versions to the creature on the old Fiend Folio). Monstrous and alien is becoming familiar, sympathetic and more human-like.

Anyhow, I'm not one who has ever really found D&D's elves attractive. They are elves, a different species, not just slim humans.


Fair enough. I am the opposite, I prefer a travelling circus. We have 8 billion humans on our real life planet, give me elves, halfflings, dwarves, demon-kin, and other weird species to travel, be friends with, and romance. I already feel that having 2 humans out of 5 current companions is one too many.
I am curious though, what did you do in Baldur's Gate 2? Because that game is literally an elf-fest for male characters.

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Originally Posted by Arideya

I am curious though, what did you do in Baldur's Gate 2? Because that game is literally an elf-fest for male characters.


Thinking about it, I suppose the shoe is on the other foot this time around in romance, since female characters in BG2 only got friggin Anomen!

I mean, even after his "upgrade" he's a self-centered prig.



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Originally Posted by Arideya
I am curious though, what did you do in Baldur's Gate 2? Because that game is literally an elf-fest for male characters.

I tend to play female characters and often ended up chatting up Nalia. It bugged me a little that I couldn't marry and be the Lord/Lady of the manor, but actually that made sense in context.

She was human, of course.

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Originally Posted by Telephasic


Thinking about it, I suppose the shoe is on the other foot this time around in romance, since female characters in BG2 only got friggin Anomen!

I mean, even after his "upgrade" he's a self-centered prig.




Haha I was thinking about the same thing. Most of the companion complaints are targeted towards the girls right now, and mostly everyone seems to be happy with the dudes.
In the end I want every player to be happy, but I am not complaining right now :3

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I tend to play female characters and often ended up chatting up Nalia. It bugged me a little that I couldn't marry and be the Lord/Lady of the manor, but actually that made sense in context.

She was human, of course.



If I am not mistaken there is a mod for that.

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Originally Posted by Arideya
If I am not mistaken there is a mod for that.

Indeed. The wedding went ahead in many of my play-throughs. Love (and a suitable mod) conquers all.

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Originally Posted by Arideya

Haha I was thinking about the same thing. Most of the companion complaints are targeted towards the girls right now, and mostly everyone seems to be happy with the dudes.
In the end I want every player to be happy, but I am not complaining right now :3


Can I ask who is your favorite of the three?

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Originally Posted by Telephasic


Can I ask who is your favorite of the three?


Astarion, but I am a fan of travelling circus smile Who's yours?


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Originally Posted by Arideya

Astarion, but I am a fan of travelling circus smile Who's yours?


Romantically speaking, none of them "do it" for me, but I think as a person I like Wyll the best.

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