Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Plot Hole in Premise

Has anyone tried what happens when gale is killed on first sight?

It almost seem like half the people you meet have the worm... feels a bit odd, that it so common.

I killed him on the spot and later, his corpse was gone.

I think you mix game mechanic with RP. Need to be careful with that one matey, may cause hallucinations and delusions of grandeur.

We're given a way to raise our dead party members as a courtesy - a game mechanic, so the game will be playable and you won't run out of companions in 5 hours or just flat out be dead yourself. Thus the Scrolls of Revivify and the Skellie bro.

Resurrections are not some common thing, as you may know. The big plan of "lulz let's just die and get rezzed" is not feasible in RP sense, you don't really have scrolls that raise dead to perfect life out the wazoo and you don't have high level clerics just skulking around in wilderness either. Gale makes that point sufficiently clear.


Might as well talk about how savescumming is a plot hole - wtf I can turn back time at will.

Only people who were on the ship and leaders of the Cult of the Absolute have them.

The real question you should be asking yourself is if you got a tadpole to get instantly turned into a mindflayer like the lady in the ship if you push the button or if you were meant to become another puppet leader for the Absolute.

The scrolls of Revivify, sure, I'll buy are just a player convenience. The skellie bro, no. An entire character, with fully animated cutscenes, is not just a gameplay convenience. He, and by extension his services, exist.

Wow. I didn't think about this. This thread is underrated. Bump.

Can't you just open the skull of the dead, remove the tadpole and heal him / ressurect him after? I Mean, he is dead, so you can just open up his body now.

You can’t heal a dead body.
If I recall correctly, mangling a corpse that badly would prevent Revivification. At that point you would need True Resurrection.

Okay, That a good point. But i'm not so sure about the mangling corpse thing, I mean, its just a bit of surgery. Surgery existed even in medieval time, and trepanning is a very old technique in human history. I doubt removing a part of the skull and sewing it back would make a corpse ''too mutilated for reviving''. After all, human can survive with an open skull.

If the tadpole is attached at the underside of the brain, which it likely would be given its ocular entry, you would need to fully remove the top of the skull and the brain to get the tadpole. At this point the corpse is thoroughly mangled.

Can't you just cut under the jaw or in the neck then, and just sew back the artery and/or skin together? Shouldn't be that hard in a world with magic. I'm not a surgeon but doesn't seem impossible to me.

Yeah, maybe if you completely disarticulate the mandible from the skull. 😂
How would you know where to perforate the skull? You would need to go exploring for the tadpole, which conceivable could move around the brain cavity to escape your attempts to extract it.

Skill mangling the corpse past the corpse well past revivification.

I don’t think this is really worth putting too much thought into, though. Again, resurrection is a gameplay feature of forgotten realms which rarely makes a lot of sense in terms of diminishing stakes.

I think it kinda would make more narrative sense to require the revivify spell to be cast within a minute. FIxes the "loophole" well enough for me. The game could stay in turn-based mode and give you ten rounds after combat ends if a party member is down.

Personally, I'd give you an item rather than having all of these scrolls everywhere. Maybe something from the mindflayer ship and have it linked to the tadpoles, even -- although I have no idea if that makes sense with whereever the plot is going to go.

Alright. thats a fair point.

For the sake of discussing, I'll just add another situation. Lets say your character dies by accident (Gayle, for instance. he even has a dialogue option when he tells you how to find a super ressurection scroll. But any of the character would do ). Why doesn't the tadpole goes out ?

It is also a part of convenience there, just gotta live with that.

Don't mix gameplay mechanics with RP.

/shrug

Don't mix bad logic and writing with mechanics and RP.

No, it isn't. Entire, interactable characters, with goals, ideals, and questions, are not non-canonical plot-conveniences. I cannot (reasonably) open a Harry Potter book and just say "Dumbledore didn't exist, anything involving him didn't happen, he's just a plot convenience". That's not how that works.