Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback BG3 rn feels like playing with a sh*t DM

what if we want to play the game how you play 5th edition and not abuse the larianisms

the problem is they had to give the goblins 3 times the hitpoints as a balancing mechanic for their unnecessary elevation system

I can't wait until we get level 9 and have a 35% chance to hit a dragon all the time

oh wait nevermind, flight doesn't actually fly in this game, because larian can't pull off what firaxis or indie game Solasta can

I wonder if Larian actually takes feedback in account, because so far the biggest change they’ve ever made was the durability of the weapons in DOS2
That’s their biggest example of how they changed due to customer based complaint.

So goblins should have 7 hit points right?

Say a cleric starts with 10 or 11 hp. 10 being 8+con mod of 2. Then lets give them 2 levels at a 5 (which is avg given according the PH) and add 2 for con mod. So thats 10+7+7 = 24 HP. Wait havent we seen lvl 3 goblin clerics at 24 hp?

Take a note at the health pool of the goblins, especially in the ruined shrine courtyard where you found volo. They are level 1 humanoids who happen to have specific classes and can do what those classes present for the most part. So wouldnt it make sense that their Health increase while they level?

Or is that too difficult?

They're all higher hitpoint because they have much lower armor class, for two reasons: burning surfaces instakill 7hp goblins and normal AC goblins wouldn't be hittable from lower elevation by low level parties with the system larian has introduced

Only exceptionally cruel and suicidal creatures, or incredibly tacticians should just laser focus your squishies

If I'm fighting hobgoblins, I want to see their commander yell "Kill *charactername*" and then they all target that person to death. If I'm fighting Maw Demons, them scuttling past my fighters to get to my back line is fine. If I'm fighting goblins? Yeah no, they should attack a lot less coordinated fashion

seriously if any DM ran this game like this the casters would quit

I disagree with elevation being unnecessary. This is useful for tactical advantage and for strategy planning with the godsawful camera angles. If the enemy AI had some intelligence then the health could be more in line with what it should be. They should move to look for a hidden player and not just stand there like idiots, maybe some should even run away if they take damage. If they know an enemy is somewhere in the rafters then they should use some kind of AoE attack up there to flush them out. This kind of behaviour would also help those that insist they will only play melee and rush in to a fight.

I also like the tactics elevation offers, though I'd suggest that it gives a +2 instead of advantage. This allows you to have regular-AC goblins, as it will be possible (although still difficult) to hit them from low ground.

However, and I can't believe I'm going to say this, a problem with elevation is that enemies can't jump. Hear me out. At the goblin camp, I took my party to the upper levels (requires a jump, even if you sneak top right) and spent the remaining turns picking off the goblins on the ground who couldn't reach me. Every single turn, the ~10-15 goblins+ogre without ranged weapons took 20 seconds to think, then did nothing because there's no possible path to reach me without jumping. If BG3 allows PCs to reach otherwise-unreachable areas via jumping, then they also have to give enemies the ability to jump.

Or, much more preferably, make sure there is a non-jumping method of reaching every surface where a combat would feasibly take place. I really really really don't want every enemy to be a frog.

Are you sure about that?

Isn't it more likely that their HP is directly related to their class and level? Also their armor dictates some AC, some aren't wearing any, their Ac happens to be lower.

Where is your proof that they raised goblin HP because of surfaces?

because none of that series of actions has anything to do with how D&D is played.

Sad thing is that enemies will do nothing on their turns no matter what if you hide, not just if you have higher ground. I can duck behind a corner and they do absolutely nothing on their turns. Anything with half a brain would know where I went and act accordingly unless they are all too scared to follow? If this was the case then they should use this opportunity to make a tactical retreat, not stand there with their useless attempts to goad me into revealing myself.

I agree with you that more enemies should be able to jump. Some already do, like minotaurs who can jump much higher then the player. There are many combat areas with non jumping ways to reach elevation. Most of these you can destroy the ladder behind you, only seen a few types with infinite health.

That is true. Hopefully this height/hide auto-wins will be fixed when enemy AI is fixed. I agree that enemies should either search for you or retreat to safety when they can't find/reach you.

Yes, what everyone wants in this game is more minotaurs :P. And hmmm, do enemies ever destroy the ladder behind them? That could make for some rough encounters o.O

This stuff was mostly debunked here: https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...lin_hpac_bloat_discussion_some_research/

+1

Yeah, I read your post and I totally agree with it, it was a very good point about Eder. However, one could argue that Eder had time to digest it and you're not not in a race when you meet him, unlike companions in BG3.
I'd prefer more discussion with BG3 character as well, after a whole act, I don't know them that well. I mean, some people talk when they re stressed, people aren't always secretive, so maybe one or two of them could talk more about their past. Will could talk about his adventure, Gayle about his studies and mystra, Lae'zel about the githyanki life, and Astarion about the Baldur's gate life or his duties as a slave. At the moment , its almost as if the character do not exist outside of their personal quest and secrets.


Note : They actually banter during travelling. Because english isn't my native language, and the action doesn't stop during banter, its harder to notice. Also, they may repeat often the same line (this may be due to early access and bug).

+1 to OP,
The fights just don't feel like D&D at the moment, because of all the things that have been taken over from DOS2.
Outside the fights hardly a minute of play passes without a skill check. I find the sheer number of these checks absolutely annoying.
And like many others, I find the current companions unsympathetic. I can hardly believe that these were created by the same company that created the Red Prince.

Disagree.

Ive had exciting, incredibly memorable fights, nearly all of them - and I love the surface dynamics. I dont find everyone is rude to us - but jeez, everyone is either newly tadpoled, under attack from goblins, or a malevolent race - we're in the middle of an emergency zone in act 1. What do you expect?! Dont worry, we'll have a nice cozy fireplace somewhere at some point for you to exchange pleasantries with a tavern maid in front of soon enough. *eyeroll*

To be perfectly honest, every CRPG is this to me and I still have fun with them. I'll let CRPGs slide on things I'd never accept from a tabletop game because of the limits of a computer.

But that said...I do hate some of the implementation of skill rolls. There are places where it feels like they replaced a dialogue puzzle with "roll a die" and it just feels frustrating and annoying when I run into that...especially in comparison to where they implement things well.

+1

I'm sure this will get very boring pretty fast if they don't carefully manage each encounter instead of just lazily spamming ranged enemies ( Spells, Ranged Weapons, Throwables ) abusing high ground advantage. Don't forget the encounters are limited, we have no respawning enemies over here. That's why D:OS2 got incredibly boring after Driftwood, besides having 0% char progression since everything became a "Highest Initiative One Shot Wins" fest.