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I don't care what kind of challenges you wanna overcome as developers with party of 4 or what kind of challenges you wanna put before players with party of 4. It doesn't change the fact that party of 4 is too small for an immersive DnD game.

It takes away a lot party setup possibilites and I fed up with going back to the camp leave some one and take Astarion whenever I need perception and sleight of hands rolls.

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We already had this topic discussed multiple times.
One of them is literally the most popular thread in this section: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=679595#Post679595


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Originally Posted by Tuco
We already had this topic discussed multiple times.
One of them is literally the most popular thread in this section: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=679595#Post679595



I don't have all the time and recources im the world to spend them in this games forum. Plus, Larian should pay and thank me for testing their game and give feedback.
Who the F are you btw?

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Originally Posted by sinogy
Originally Posted by Tuco
We already had this topic discussed multiple times.
One of them is literally the most popular thread in this section: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=679595#Post679595



I don't have all the time and recources im the world to spend them in this games forum. Plus, Larian should pay and thank me for testing their game and give feedback.
Who the F are you btw?



calm down buddy, let's play, have fun and talk, no need to upset, 1 topic for subject will just make easier for larian to have a grasp on the importance the community is given to a specific subject

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Originally Posted by sinogy
I don't care what kind of challenges you wanna overcome as developers with party of 4 or what kind of challenges you wanna put before players with party of 4. It doesn't change the fact that party of 4 is too small for an immersive DnD game.

It takes away a lot party setup possibilites and I fed up with going back to the camp leave some one and take Astarion whenever I need perception and sleight of hands rolls.

Dnd is based around parties of 4 players. You can have more (or less) but generally need to adjust things like monster stats or situations to make challenges winable in those cases.

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Originally Posted by sinogy
I don't have all the time and recources im the world to spend them in this games forum. Plus, Larian should pay and thank me for testing their game and give feedback.


Well, thank god someone else did you the favor of pointing you in the right direction, right?


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Who the F are you btw?

I don't see how that's any of your business.

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Originally Posted by Demoulius

Dnd is based around parties of 4 players. You can have more (or less) but generally need to adjust things like monster stats or situations to make challenges winable in those cases.

Lie. Dnd 5e based around 3 to 5 players.

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Originally Posted by arion
Originally Posted by Demoulius

Dnd is based around parties of 4 players. You can have more (or less) but generally need to adjust things like monster stats or situations to make challenges winable in those cases.

Lie. Dnd 5e based around 3 to 5 players.


LOL, the trolling is good today I must admit laugh

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Originally Posted by arion
Originally Posted by Demoulius

Dnd is based around parties of 4 players. You can have more (or less) but generally need to adjust things like monster stats or situations to make challenges winable in those cases.

Lie. Dnd 5e based around 3 to 5 players.

Well the avarage of that is still 4 and not 6 :P so why is the party size a complaint again?

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Originally Posted by Demoulius

so why is the party size a complaint again?


Originally Posted by Tuco
We already had this topic discussed multiple times.
One of them is literally the most popular thread in this section: https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=679595#Post679595



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I'd like 5 in my party.

1. ranger/rogue/bard

2. Pali/Fighter/Barbarian

3. Cleric/druid/bard

4. Warlock/monk

5. Wizard/sorc


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Originally Posted by Demoulius

Well the average of that is still 4 and not 6 :P so why is the party size a complaint again?

Because what's standard or average for P&P is essentially irrelevant. A party-based CRPG goes on a fairly different pace than a tabletop session. And deciding what everyone is going to be with four friends OR making up a party from a limited selection of premade NPCs are two very different scenarios.

Anyway, that's precisely why we often point at previous discussions about a given topic: so we don't have to repeat the same exact arguments over and over again.

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IMHO 4 can be fine as long as they do the following.

1. DO NOT KILL OFF THE OTHER COMPANIONS AT THE END OF ACT 1!!!

2. Allow for easier switching of characters during play (not just when at camp)

3. Allow for equipping of characters at camp.

I have to say my ideal way of playing small party games with "camps" (from KOTOR onwards) has been switching up parties frequently depending upon the mission. And I particularly like cases like KOTOR2 or DA:O when you get a mission your main character is sidelined and you need to send a "B team." It gives the game far more of a "cinematic" feel.

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Originally Posted by Tuco
Well, thank god someone else did you the favor of pointing you in the right direction, right?

I just love this reaction ... illustrative stoic calm. :3

The OP is right tho ... sadly it cant be demonstrated in a little more civilized form. frown


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Objectively not true


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Originally Posted by sinogy
I don't care what kind of challenges you wanna overcome as developers with party of 4 or what kind of challenges you wanna put before players with party of 4. It doesn't change the fact that party of 4 is too small for an immersive DnD game.

It takes away a lot party setup possibilites and I fed up with going back to the camp leave some one and take Astarion whenever I need perception and sleight of hands rolls.

4 is a recommended party size for DND 3e, 3.5e, 5e, PF 1e, and 2e.

I don't know where you got idea that party should be bigger
(and any DM would say you they definitely prefer party of 4).
Less than 4 - not enough versatility to overcome challenges.
More than 4 - too little attention for each character, and combat becomes too slow.

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Personally, I'd prefer a party size of 5. Six is too big in my opinion, while four seems a tad too restrictive. But even if Larian insists on keeping the group size as it is, there will be mods to address it...

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Originally Posted by sinogy
I don't care what kind of challenges you wanna overcome as developers with party of 4 or what kind of challenges you wanna put before players with party of 4. It doesn't change the fact that party of 4 is too small for an immersive DnD game.

It takes away a lot party setup possibilites and I fed up with going back to the camp leave some one and take Astarion whenever I need perception and sleight of hands rolls.

4 is a recommended party size for DND 3e, 3.5e, 5e, PF 1e, and 2e.

I don't know where you got idea that party should be bigger
(and any DM would say you they definitely prefer party of 4).
Less than 4 - not enough versatility to overcome challenges.
More than 4 - too little attention for each character, and combat becomes too slow.


Combats are faster if you kill your ennemies faster.
You don't have to add creature because you have one more character. This is not how you balance a game. Many games are TB, have 6 companions, AND faster combats...

I don't really care the average... Average is not what you're supposed to do. This is as ridiculous as the argument saying "D&D is TB, so BG3 has to be TB".

At least more than 40% don't like playing with only 4 characters. With a party size of 5 or even 6, 100% of the players are happy.

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I like a group of four or five because it covers the 'basics' plus allows for a luxury/fun character. The most common group size I've experienced is actually three, although my current group is a very healthy six. I've played in two-player groups. It doesn't really matter. You play the game to the group.

BG3 is clearly aimed at a four-person party, so asking for more is pointless.

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BG3 is clearly aimed at a four-person party, so asking for more is pointless.


Aimed ? okay think


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