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To my knowledge in Faerun, Drow male cannot become a Cleric of Lolth. Which is one of the key characteristics of a typical evil Drow society which is predominantly sexist and racist.

Surely it is a mistake of Larian and it will be fixed, right?

Or did the Lore change to be more "SWJ PC"?


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Drow are no longer evil and have embraced neo-liberal dogma

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I don't know. What do the D&D 5e rules say about it? Maybe it has become possible. After all, captain marvel is a girl now. Progressist values might have reached the underdark too.

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What? That S*CKS!!!

Did Disney buy Wizards of the Coast or what? What the hell happened?

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obviously its impossible in the lore, but the game engine allows it because theres no race class restrictions.
Admittedly tho its something they ought to patch out.

thing is tho, you always could make deity choices that make no sense in DnD games.
in nwn 2 you could worship kossuth and eilistrae and lolth just the same

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Honestly, my first character was a drow priestess of Lolth because in my mind, it wasn't possible for a male. So good find, I'd say XD

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OP If it makes you feel any better Elves still apparently can't grow facial hair, but Halflings of both sexes can now. So there is that.

Have Fun smile!

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I think its funny, you could RP it as "Male Drow priest exiled by his people for being a role swapper... was off on his own when abducted by the Mindflayers"

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OP If it makes you feel any better Elves still apparently can't grow facial hair, but Halflings of both sexes can now. So there is that.

Have Fun smile!


First thing I noticed was that facial hair option was not barred for human women... (and it... works... as intended?....)

Just one question tho, did Larian do it because they thought it was funny or was it because of some law in Canada?


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Is this a tribute to the fight against gender discrimination?

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I think certain concepts underlying the Drow society were derived from spider behaviors in the real world. In certain spider species, the females are physically superior to the males, and sometimes they eat the males after mating! The Drow worship Lolth the Spider Queen, so it makes sense that their social behaviors correlate more to the spider's way of living. In our digital gaming world, anyone can be anything without restriction. Sometimes I think that overcoming character limitations was originally meant to be part of the fun of the game, because that sort of connects to experiences most of us have in our lives.

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Originally Posted by pill0ws
Drow are no longer evil and have embraced neo-liberal dogma


Neo-liberalism is a market-oriented economic theory developed by (among others) Milton Friedman and is associated with politicians like Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. It advocates deregulation and the expansion of the marketplace to its maximum possible reach, including both geographic territory and aspects of personal identity (think of the way contemporary marketing campaigns are usually focusing on a lifestyle rather than a product, even though the product is Nike shoes or BMWs).

Now you all can use the correct terminology while you’re complaining. 😂

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Originally Posted by Lumign
To my knowledge in Faerun, Drow male cannot become a Cleric of Lolth. Which is one of the key characteristics of a typical evil Drow society which is predominantly sexist and racist.

Surely it is a mistake of Larian and it will be fixed, right?

Or did the Lore change to be more "SWJ PC"?



In The Silent Blade (1998, 11th book in the Drizzt collection) there is a male Drow cleric (of Lolth) wizard hybrid.

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In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."

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Originally Posted by Postwave
In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."



thank you, +1 to this

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Originally Posted by Postwave
In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."


In that case, let my human paladin worship Lolth too, because why not?

No, I dare say. Not like this. Not for free.

How about a compromise? Let a player create a Male Drow Cleric of Lolth, but not without consequences. (Lolth would want your PC to die, so some penalties/randomness in spells, curses like you transform to spider while resting(?) for example, etc.) That might at least make things interesting.

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Originally Posted by Lumign
Originally Posted by Postwave
In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."


In that case, let my human paladin worship Lolth too, because why not?

No, I dare say. Not like this. Not for free.

How about a compromise? Let a player create a Male Drow Cleric of Lolth, but not without consequences. (Lolth would want your PC to die, so some penalties/randomness in spells, curses like you transform to spider while resting(?) for example, etc.) That might at least make things interesting.


And let's also introduce The Test of Lolth into the game so that those who play for Drow Lolth play as in hardcore mode
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/races/elf/drow2.shtml

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Originally Posted by Lumign
Originally Posted by Postwave
In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."


In that case, let my human paladin worship Lolth too, because why not?

No, I dare say. Not like this. Not for free.

How about a compromise? Let a player create a Male Drow Cleric of Lolth, but not without consequences. (Lolth would want your PC to die, so some penalties/randomness in spells, curses like you transform to spider while resting(?) for example, etc.) That might at least make things interesting.


And let's also introduce The Test of Lolth into the game so that those who play for Drow Lolth play as in hardcore mode
https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/races/elf/drow2.shtml


Such attentions to details would only make this almost perfect game perfecter.

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Originally Posted by Postwave
In general: players in D&D shouldn't be limited by lore restrictions. A male cleric of Lolth is an oddity, but so are all player characters. They're the heroes. As a DM, when someone says they want to do something like this, the answer is not "you can't", it's "okay, and this is what that will entail..."


To a certain extent I would agree. But the fact cleric powers are bestowed by a goddess, we could say that if one of her tenets specifies clerics should only be females, and you would allow a male cleric in your D&D campaign, it would entail one of these three principles:

1) Menzoberranzan priestesses are liars who hide to the males the fact they could, if they so wanted, become priests of Lolth, thus no such tenet exists.

2) In your campaign, the character has done a special and exceptional deed lore wise which would have allowed him to become a priest of Lolth.

3) You don't care about the drow lore at all and you do what you want as a DM with your campaign.

Everyone of them is perfectly fine, but the latter is kind of problematic with a game which advertises it follows the D&D 5e lore and rules.

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Warlocke hes right tho.
Progressivism has been heavily adopted by Neoliberals to create a smokescreen.

Pretty easy to do crony capitalism when the pro worker people are busy debating toilets : ^)

>where do powers come from
Dont read Elder Evils then.
its gonna break your perception of things. Then again, might not actually be relevant to Forgotten Realms, tho its been implied to play into the very reason the wall of the Faithless is there (Aka: if the mortal sfigure out they dont actually need the gods for divine magic to work theres no reason to hold em ransom anymore)

Either way i dotn think a male cleric of lolth makes any sense, especialy a lolthsworn drow.
Theres the Punk Rock approach to Character building wehre you go "Fuck you im gonna be a Chaotic Evil Paladin" in 5e, but i think Male Lolth cleric is a bit too Punk Rock.

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