This is a part of my thoughts, but I write it after reading many players’ feedback.
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I actually read every title of the 160 last pages of the forum, tons of feedback and more than half the compendium to compile the most the usual suggestions and the most usual feedbacks about combats.
Of course, I also read the surveys and lots of polls/threads on reddit and so on…This thread was build arround those feedbacks.
Whatever we like them or not, combats are an important part of the game and they deserve a great attention. This thread is an attempt of suggestion to improve combats in Baldur’s Gate 3.
I hope it could suit the most of us. It should be okay to everyone that accept what BG3 claim to be: a D&D experience in a Larian setting.D&D combats are all about choices, consequences and resources management.
Larian’s custom rules meant to offer us more choices and should definitely be a part of the game. But on the other hand, in the actual state of the game these additional or reworked mechanics determine what combats have to look like in Baldur’s Gate 3.
Keep in mind that this is a suggestion and not a definitive patchnote suggestion. The game is in EA and Larian probably has more surprise for us.
Anyway, I think all this could increase a lot the tactical value of the game and the possibilities a great strategy TB video game should offer to its players. Larian and Baldur's gate 3 deserves the best.
I just want to add that I’m here because this game is named Baldur’s Gate. I’m a player of BG but I’m also a player of DoS, of TW3, of Xcom, of Wasteland, of Civilization, of Total War, of Solasta, of …. I’m just a huge fan of video games who really care about BG3 and who really love RPG and many strategy TB games.
I never played any D&D TT game, but I find the rules awesome.
Feel free to help me improve this suggestion whatever you’re a D&D player, a video game player or another.
Whatever our opinions, problems or feedback, our common goal is to improve Baldur’s Gate 3.
Just read the underlined sentences if you don’t want the details.
CHAPTER 0: INTRODUCTION
0.1 Advantages/ Disadvantages
We already discused A LOT about advantages and disadvantages. There are great and very usefull.Having custom rules to increase our % to hit is necessary
, but advantages are powerfull and very easy to grab. The easiests way are going higher for ranged or (jumping to) backstab with your melee characters.Open the spoiler to discover Isaac’s awesome message and to understand why the actual implementation of advantages / disadvantages is a real balance breaker in a D&D game.
At the moment, advantages are very powerful
Summary: In the 5e ruleset, Advantage/Disadvantage is the most powerful impact on gameplay. This is true both from a mathematical standpoint and from a player/DM perspective. Because it is so powerful, all sources of Adv/Dis in 5e come at either a cost of resources or a potentially penalty to the user, to balance out the sheer power of the mechanic. Currently, BG 3 subverts this balance by providing always available sources of Adv/Dis in the form of Height and Backstab, both of which require nothing more than having your character in the correct location on the map (note: this is exacerbated by the Jump/Disengage/Stealth problem discussed elsewhere, but exists even if that is fixed). This makes the 5e sources of Adv/Dis nearly useless as they are all more costly or penalizing, thus invaliding literally dozens and dozens of class features and spells, completely ruining the balance of entire classes. Removing Height and Backstab based Adv/Dis will go a long way towards making the game far more balanced and play like a D&D game.
The Maths: - In 5e, in general, having Advantage is roughly equivalent of having +5 to your roll. Disadvantage is roughly equal to having -5 to your roll. This means if one character is rolling with Advantage, and the other character is rolling with Disadvantage, then there is the rough equivalent of +-10 between their rolls. Additionally, Advantage doubles the chance of rolling a critical hit, and makes critical failures much less likely (5% normally vs 0.25% with Advantage), vice versa for Disadvantage.
Next, one of the core theories for game balance in 5e is called "Bounded Accuracy". This term means that players and NPCs generally have limits to how high they can boost their static modifiers to rolls. There is a 'bound' on just how 'accurate' a player can become. This was a huge shift in D&D when it was introduced. In prior editions of D&D, players could achieve truly insane modifiers to their to-hit, to the point where attack rolls were reaching into the 1d20+100 range, which just creates stupid arms races between monsters and players. By reducing how much a player can add to their to-hit, WotC (the publishers the D&D rules) made smaller bonuses much, MUCH more important. For example, Bless requires both a spell slot, concentration, and is limited to three targets, and only provides an average of +2.5, half of Advantage.
Bounded Accuracy is why Adv/Dis is so impactful on gameplay. There are a few class abilities that can add a higher static modifier (such as a War Cleric's Channel Divinity that can add +10 to one single attack roll) but those are rare and always limited in amount. It is a large reason why 5e is generally much more balanced that prior editions of D&D with far less ways to truly 'break' the game. It also makes the gameplay much smoother because enemies to-hit and AC do not need to increase as much as you get higher level. On page 274 of the DMG, there is even a chart for rough AC numbers based on a creature's CR (Challenge Rating. The higher the CR, the more 'powerful' the creature):
CR 0-3: 13 AC
CR 4: 14 AC
CR 5-7: 15 AC
CR 8-9: 16 AC
CR 10-12: 17 AC
CR 13-16: 18 AC
CR 17+: 19 AC
Look at those numbers. Over the course of 17 'levels' of CR, the enemies AC only increases by an average of +6. Just having Advantage almost cancels that growth out entirely. Here is an analysis of the actual monsters made available from WoTC and their respective change in AC -> https://i.stack.imgur.com/a6rlg.png
Lastly, if you take a level 1 character and a level 17+ character, give them the same stats and the same weapon, the total difference in their to-hit roll will be....+4. That's it. A level 1 character has a proficiency bonus of +2 and a level 17+ character has one of +6. The difference between these otherwise the same characters is less than the difference from Adv/Dis. That is how strong Adv/Dis is mathematically.
Hopefully by now, you can see why getting Adv/Dis is such a huge deal in 5e rules, and why being able to have them should be considered such a huge impact on the mathematics at play.
The Gameplay: - Here is a non-exhaustive list of class features and spells that grant Adv or impose Dis for characters between levels 1-4:
2. Dropping Prone against Ranged Attacks
3. True Strike
4. Vicious Mockery
5. Cause Fear
6. Command (certain instructions)
7. Compelled Duel
8. Ensnaring Strike
10. Faerie Fire
11. Find Familiar (Help Action)
12. Fog Cloud (Depending on types of sight)
14. Guiding Bolt
15. Protection from Evil/Good (Against certain enemy types)
18. Tasha's Hideous Laughter
19. Zephyr Strike
22. Darkness (Depending on types of sight)
23. Heat Metal
24. Hold Person
26. Maximilian's Earthen Grasp
27. Shadow Blade (Depending on lighting)
29. Barbarian - Reckless Attack
30. Barbarian - Wolf Totem
31. Barbarian - Ancestral Protectors
32. Bard - Words of Terror
33. Cleric - Warding Flare
34. Cleric - Invoke Duplicity
35. Druid - Multiple Wildshape forms that grants Pack Tactics (Wolf, etc)
36. Fighter - Distracting Strike
37. Fighter - Feinting Attack
38. Fighter - Goading Attack
39. Fighter - Menacing Attack
40. Fighter - Trip Attack
41. Fighter - Fighting Spirit
42. Monk - Patient Defense
43. Monk - Open Hand Technique (knocked Prone)
44. Paladin - Conquering Presence
45. Paladin - Nature's Wrath
46. Paladin - Abjure Enemy
47. Paladin - Vow of Emnity
48. Paladin - Dreadful Aspect
49. Ranger - Umbral Sight
50. Rogue - Assassinate
51. Rogue - Master of Tactics
52. Rogue - Cunning Action (Stealth)
53. Sorcerer - Eyes of the Dark
54. Sorcerer - Tides of Chaos
55. Warlock - Hexblade's Curse
56. Warlock - Pact of the Chain (Help from Familiar)
56 different spells, actions, and class features (I'm sure I missed some as well). Every single one of these costs a resource or imposes a penalty for using. For example, the Dodge Action takes your characters Action for that turn. The Barbarian's Reckless Attack makes the Barbarian grant Advantage to anyone attacking it for a turn, making it significantly more likely that they will take damage for that turn. The Open Palm Monk's tripping attack takes Ki to attempt and still provides an enemy with a Save first. And this list is ONLY for levels 1-4. It grows massively once you start getting higher levels characters.
Each and every one of these has the same benefit as Adv/Dis from Height and Backstab, which means each of those class features and spells are essentially pointless given how much easier it is to just get higher or to walk around a target. This is terrible, TERRIBLE for balance. You are throwing out 6+ years of playtesting the rules and balance of 5e.
Finally, Rogue's deserve special mention due to how their primary class feature (Sneak Attack) interacts with Advantage/Disadvantage. Ignoring the cheapening of the Rogue in general due to every class now having Stealth as a bonus action, Rogue's are not able to use Sneak Attack if they have Disadvantage on a roll. This makes it extremely difficult for a Rogue to use their primary function against any target that is above them. This is terrible for the balance of the class.
Not in the Rules: The rules of 5e to not provide Advantage/Disadvantage due to different in Height. There is an *optional* rule in the DM regarding Facing and what might be called 'backstab' but 90% of the rule (including the ability to use your Reaction to face the target and deny them Backstab) is not implemented, meaning that rule was not used. Anecdotally, I have never, ever heard of any DM using the Facing system because of how much it throws a wrench in the gameplay process.
Possible Solutions: First, remove granting Advantage/Disadvantage for Height and Backstab. As you can see from the list, there are enough ways to get Adv/Dis, BUT they are all balanced by having a cost/penalty associated with using them.
Next, if Larian still wants to incorporate having a benefit for having higher elevation than a target and/or maneuvering near a target, please incorporate the Cover and Flanking mechanics as described in the first linked Primary Topics Link. Cover provides a potential benefit for being higher than your target because your target will not have Cover from your attack. Additionally, you will possibly have some Cover from attacks from below due to the surface providing elevation. Flanking also requires at least 2 allies in melee combat, increasing the risk to those characters for the reward of potentially having a greater chance to hit.
Alternatively, if Cover/Flanking is deemed to difficult or impossible due to the limitations of the DoS engine being used, then replace Adv/Dis with a flat +2/-2 bonus (which is the bonus provided from Cover and Flanking respectively). This makes players still want to seek out sources of Adv/Dis due to their higher mathematical benefit, while also not invaliding all of the listed spells, actions, and class features.
We have a god mode and I like being able to enter god mode… but when it’s special. At the moment, it’s totally common and without any consequences in Baldur’s Gate 3.Increase the depths of combats and possibilities to play with the game is probably fine to everyone
There’s a lot of place for interesting custom rules and bonuses if you don’t allow players to enter god mode at each turn and without any consequences.
Rework advantages and create real consequences/conditions/choices could lead to more tactical combats and options for the players.0.2 The D20
The D20 is another thing we talked a lot on the forum.Missing to much is not fun for many players.
There are lots of solution to increase our % to hit in D&D, but there’s also often a D20 that could be very unfair.
We have to find a good compromise between the balance of D&D and the D20… and what many don’t want to experience in a video game: missing very often.
Community suggestions :
- An option that could add a +”x” bonus to every D20, in every situation whatever the check could be something that keep D&D’s balance safe while at the same time would increase our % to hit.
This could be a good way to customize our experience. From a +0 for a more authentic D&D experience to a +5 to increase our overall % to hit by +25% in any situations if needed.
- An option to reduce the ennemy's AC. (EDIT 15/11/20)
- An "auto advantages" after 3 miss. (EDIT 15/11/20)
- Something like "+5% to hit" each time a character miss. (EDIT 15/11/20)With this mechanics and what is suggested below, we could have many possibilities to increase our control on the game.
This should be totally optional and not a part of the “normal” game mode.CHAPTER 1: USUAL ACTIONS IN COMBATS
This is a list of action and bonus action that everyone should be able to use at each turn.1.1 () actions
(let you act using your reaction before the start of your next turn to range or melee or cantrip attack when an enemy move within your range)
(Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage. You lose this benefit if you are incapacitated or if your speed drops to 0)
a potion to someone else (replace the actual “help”)
- Throw1.2 (Bonus) actions
- Shove (to push)
- Shove (to prone)
You make a strength (Athletics) or dexterity (Acrobatics) check contested by the target’s strength (Athletics) or dexterity (Acrobatics) check. If you succeed, the target is prone.
An attack roll against a prone creature give you an additional +3 bonus if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature. Otherwise, you suffer a -2 malus to your attack roll. A prone target gets up its next turn with ½ less movement).
I’m not sure it’s relevant to grant an advantage to a bonus action.
- Help] (to move)
To aid a friendly creature in attacking a creature within “5” feet of you. You feint, distract the target, or in some other way team up to make your ally more effective.
If the ally you choose move within range of the ennemy’s weapons before your next turn, the enemy can’t use its reaction and can’t use its AOO.
- Help (to attack)
To aid a friendly creature in attacking a creature within “5” feet of you. You feint, distract the target, or in some other way team up to make your ally’s attack more effective.
If the ally you choose use a range attack or a cantrip before your next turn, the first attack roll has a bonus of +3 (+15% to hit).
This could greatly increase the synergy between companions
(consume rare component and is only available for the next attack, see 4.3 Dipping).
- Change weapon
(take your second weapon)
* Rogue Cunning
: Dash, disengage and hide are bonus action instead of full action at lvl 2.
* Rogue Sneak Attack
shouldn’t be a specific action and should apply to normal attacks, left hand attacks and AOO if the conditions are made.
* Rogue expertise
is implemented. Maybe it (could) helps them to shove (to prone) or to dodge. I’m not sure how it works in D&D.
* I’m not sure about Help.
Maybe it could become a reaction as AOO… I mean why not?
When an ally attacks the creature you targeted with help, you use your reaction to distract the monster and give a +2 bonus to attack roll.
I think it’s important to avoid another “help” loop where everyone help everyone at each turn. If reactions are properly implemented, “Help” as a reaction could become a consistent choice.
If help has to stay a bonus action for a reason or another, it should then require a check and a bad consequence if you miss.1.3 (Re)actions
Reactions should definitely work like in D&D and be considered like another type of (re)actions.
Reactions “when you choose to react” add awesome choices, depth and tactical value to combats. It’s another thing to manage, to think about and another “action” to do during our turns.It would increase the intensity and the feeling of chaos in combats.
Reactions should be something you have to care and think about. You have a very limited number of possibilities in Baldur’s Gate 3. The trigger is automatic and you never choose what, and when. At the moment you don’t really care about reactions because there is a huge lack of possibilities and because you have a very limited control on them.
I.E: Being able to use Feather Fall while a goblin just Shove (to push) a party member in a hole is absolutely awesome. Being able to use Shield to avoid the magic missile an enemy spellcaster just throw at you is also awesome, being able to “ambush” an enemy using the “ready” action… There are tons of reactions in D&D and that would definitely suit a video game. That’s how D&D create more chaotic and intense combats in their TB game.
Maybe it’s impossible to add every D&D reaction, I don’t really know but there’s a lot of potential there.Reaction are a part of the “resource management”
Reaction cost a reaction, and you have only 1 reaction per turn. That mean you won’t be able to do another one until your next turn but it also often cost a spell slots… Spells slots and reactions should be something we have to manage and care about. I guess everyone would be pleased if we could choose what to do with these (re)actions in a larger panel of possibilities.
I.E using a reaction means you protect yourself with a shield to avoid damages, BUT you loose 1 spell slot and you won’t be able to use your attack of opportunity or your “ready” action to attack an enemy as soon as someone enter your line of sight.Reactions are real strategic choices; these choices have real tactical consequences and combats feel more dynamic.I know Larian is working on it, but they never really confirm that they’ll enable the “reaction when you choose to react”, which is really necessary. That’s a must have in such a game. The question “how?” is open.
CHAPTER 2: USUAL ACTIONS TO MOVE
2.1 MovementLadder and climbing should probably cost movement.
About the “how”, I don’t have the good answer…
Maybe a “fixed” value whatever the size (let’s say 2m) could be okay… or an accurate reduction of your movement… I don’t know, but it should probably not be cost free.2.2 JumpJump should only be a part of your movement.
It shouldn’t be nor an action, nor a bonus action.If you jump 5m, you should just have 5m less to move during your turn.
I don’t really know how it work but jump looks a little bit buggy atm. I shouldn’t be able to go further if I just “normal” jump without spells or something.Jump should absolutely not avoid AOO.
When an AOO trigger, an attack roll VS your AC is done.
It doesn’t require an acrobatic check or something else. That’s maybe what you’ll do in P&P but the result is the same… They don’t have to create another “special AOO in reactions to jump”.
And if you can jump further than you can move (because of a spell or something), you jump and your speed reach 0 after it’s jump.CHAPTER 3: ADVANCED COMBAT MECHANICS
Backstab is actually a very common and too easy mechanic at the moment.
We can backstab easily, without any limit and without any consequences.
On the other hand, the AI won’t be able to focus to create the good conditions to use backstab as much as we will.Community suggestions :
- Backstab could be a more common bonus, something like a +2 bonus (+10% to hit)(EDIT 15/11/20)
- Maybe backstab could still be an advantage, but in that case it should be toned down a little bit… Why not something like that.
You move behind your enemy
The enemy use his AOO (if possible)
You attack with an advantage
Dexterity / Strength saving throw for the enemy against a specific DD (15 in normal game mode).
If he fails, you deal 100% damages (resistances could decrease the damages)
If he succeeds, you deal 50% damages (resistances could decrease the damages)+40 % to hit if you play with the +3 bonus to each D20 roll (see 0.2), but maybe you’ll deal 50% damages and take AOO damages if no one “help” you (to move). A usual advantage with real consequences if you play without any bonus. I guess it’s everyone’s choices.
3.2 VerticalityHaving a bonus when we’re higher to increase the % to hit of ranged characters is fine.Having a malus when we’re down is too powerful.
This mean being higher significantly influence combats. You have an average of 75% to hit on the D20 while everyone that is lower than you have an average 25% to hit you. You’re god, again.Advantage for the player is too powerful and again, the AI wouldn’t be able to efficiently play with it.
Your enemies won’t be able to create the conditions to break your platform, to shove (to push) you just to avoid the 75% / 25% to hit chance, to cast an efficient Blindness to delete your advantage and/ or to use dash a few turns to regroup and find better positions to continue the combat…Tone down the bonus and use higher ground as a "normal" common strategy
instead of an overpowered mechanic could probably balance the game a little bit more and reduce our possibility to significantly cheat the AI.
In exemple (and that’s just an exemple…)
We could have a +2 (+10% to hit) bonus to attack roll when we’re higher.
That’s really not so bad and if you combine this with other mechanics and use the synergy between your companions, your % to hit can be even higher.If you combine this with “help (to attack), you have a bonus of +5 (+20% to hit), but it costs the bonus action of an ally nearby your target.
A total of +35% if you play with the” +3 bonus to every D20 roll” optional rule.
I think that’s fair enough. What do you think?3.3 Light
I don’t really know how it work yet.
It’s great to be able to play with the light but it’s hard to understand without D/N cycle.
You never really know when you’re in shadows or in light.
Lights looks a little bit buggy. Advantage when you’re in the shadow of a tree or if you’re 10 feets away from a candle doesn’t seem consistent, but I have to test a little bit more.Does anyone has feedback in mind about lights?3.4 Increase your % to hit
This is a summary of actions that could lead to (new) bonuses / advantages.
- Help from a friend: bonus action = +10% to hit
- Attack a prone target: +15% to melee attack, -10% to range attack
- Backstab: attack with an advantage with a saving throw to avoid 50% of the damages
- High ground: +10% to hit
- Ambush: advantage (hide, invisibility, blinded enemy, …)
- Light : ?
- D&D spells, features, skills, … click the spoiler to read how you can have advantages or suffer disadvantages in D&D
With all this, it should be easier to limit AC reduction and HP bloat.
Attack rolls made by a blinded creature have disadvantage. (Deafness / Blind, blinding smite, color spray, contagion, divine word, holy aura/weapon, sunbeam, sunburst)
Attack rolls against a blinded target have advantage. (Deafness / Blind, blinding smite, color spray, contagion, divine word, holy aura/weapon, sunbeam, sunburst)
Attack rolls against an invisible target have disadvantage. (invisibility & greater invisibility)
Attack rolls made by an invisible creature have advantage. (invisibility & greater invisibility)
Attack rolls against a paralyzed target have advantage. (Hold Person)
Attack rolls against a petrified target have advantage. (Flesh to Stone)
Attack rolls and ability checks made by a poisoned creature have disadvantage. (ray of sickness)
Attack rolls against a prone target have advantage if the attacker is within 5 feet, or disadvantage otherwise. (Tashas hideous laughter, Destructive wave, earthquake, sleet storm, thunderous smite, Grease, etc)
Attack rolls made by a prone creature have disadvantage.(Destructive wave, earthquake, sleet storm, thunderous smite, Grease, etc)
Attack rolls against a restrained target have advantage.(Poor Grapple :()
Attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws made by a restrained creature have disadvantage.(Ensnaring Strike, Entangle, Mental Prison, Telekinesis, Web, Whirlwind, Transmute Rock, Snare, and many more)
Attack rolls against a stunned target have advantage. (Stunning strike – Monk, Contagion, Divine Word, Psychic Scream, Symbol)
Attack rolls against an unconscious target have advantage. (Catnap, Eyebite, Sleep, Symbol)
A frightened creature has disadvantage on ability checks and attack rolls while the source of its fear is within line of sight. (Fear, Eyebite, Hallow, Illusionary Dragon, Phantasmal Killer, Symbol, Wrathful smite)
You have more options to increase your % to hit, you can combine them to be more efficient if that’s a part of your strategy and advantages are toned down.
This would lead to an easier D&D “balance” while custom rules would give us more possibilities to increase our %to hit
without using something like a level 9 spells so easily.
As I said, keep in mind that this is a suggestion. I’m not a DM nor a TT player.
Bonuses and % I suggested are just an attempt to play with the rules. Better, easier or other ideas are welcome.CHAPTER 4: SURFACES AND ADDITIONAL DAMAGES
Playing with surfaces is an awesome signature of Larian.Nearly everyone agrees to say that surfaces definitely have a place in Baldur’s Gate 3.
Surfaces give us more things to do in combats and this is exactly what a D&D game should do.
But surfaces are, as backstab and higher ground advantages, on the way to fully determine what combats are going to be in Baldur’s Gate 3, especially when we’ll have powerful AoE spells like fireball or ice storm.Exactly like backstab and higher ground advantages, they’re on the way to become so powerful than players won’t have any other efficient alternative…
And that’s probably not what a great RPG, D&D and strategy turn base game should offer us.Toned down and reworked surfaces effects could lead to more opportunities, but also to choices that are more tactical, to more “special” encounter and to an experience a little bit more authentic if you consider the original balance of D&D.
The most common and general suggestion to tone down surfaces seems to be something like this : a saving throw or any other skill checks should always be done to avoid conditions and/or additional damages done by surfaces
At the moment, surfaces arrows, surfaces potions, surfaces cantrip and every elemental damage from dipping are the same. Baldur’s Gate 3 multiply the mechanics that all lead to the same results. This could give a feeling of freedom, but it certainly limits our real possibilities and devalues our choices to take control of the game.
Choices are more difficult if you don’t have the same opportunity everywhere. We should have to choose wisely how and when to create surfaces.Larian’s rules deserve to become a part of D&D’s rules… but they won't ever be a part of D&D if they alter the experience so much.
There are too much powerful items and mechanics to have the feeling you’re playing with D&D’s rules… Because D&D is all about choices, consequences and resources management while Baldur’s Gate 3 combats are “all about” backstab, high ground, surfaces or additional elemental damages.4.1 Cantrips and Area Of effect.Cantrips shouldn’t always create surfaces.
Many players suggested that cantrip could target a creature or the ground.Players choices – 2 possibilities:
- You hit the ground with your cantrip so a surface is created and it’s proper conditions/damages/saving throws apply. I guess it’s fair to increase a little bit the range of the AoE in that case.
- You hit a target, and the cantrips effects/damages sticks to D&D’s rules.About Area of Effect, we probably can't test enough at the moment
but they will probably be another good reasons to tone down surfaces effects.(EDIT 15/11/20)4.2 Surfaces potions and arrows.
Surfaces items are a good way to increase the difficulty of specific encounter and to give great reward to players. These items are powerful because it leads to many damages.This is another way to easy tone down surfaces: Rarer surfaces items.
If several encounters (i.e boss fights) are harder because the enemies have a few surfaces arrows or potion…
These combats are more special and harder to deal with. On the other hand, it could be a less common boost for players. We’ll have to think more before using them.Less surfaces items would lead to more important surfaces items.
4.3 DippingDipping is also a very common, easy and powerful mechanic.
You don’t need it to beat the game, but it lead to extra damages nearly cost free… The AI won’t dip its weapons, so players have another huge bonus over the AI.
First of all, dipping should probably require surfaces to be enabled.
A candle on the ground shouldn’t be able to ignite your sword.
Then I guess rework dipping so it requires “rare” component
should balance this mechanic a little bit more according to D&D and become something a little bit more “special” instead of something very “usual”.With less common and “inconsistent magical weapons”, the game could include many items players would fall in love with…
A real magical sword dealing +1D4 additional fire damages or a bow/quiver that always give +1D4 electricity arrows is something we all enjoy in a game.
Community suggestion :
- Remove dipping and why not, remove "surfaces potions". Create potions that allow us to coat our weapons.(EDIT 15/11/20)CHAPTER 5: VISUAL IMPROVEMENT
5.1 MissA beautiful animation and/or the removal of the word “miss”
on enemies (his place is on the combats log) could tone down the bad feeling player have while “missing”.
If you increase what player can choose to do during one turn - (bonus-) (re-) -actions, give them more opportunity to influence the % to hit and show us beautiful dodge or weapons that are repelled by armors and shields … Combats could become more fluent, players could easily find new ways to influence the dices and to masteries combats, missing would be less boring.Community suggestion :
- More verbiage for missing would be good.
Wielding a melee weapon and being missed by a melee attack will occasionally replace the miss with a "parry". Wearing no armour, light armour or medium armour will pop an occasional "dodge". Wearing heaving armour or wielding a shield will sometimes pop a "block". More variety in miss animations would be nice (e.g raising your shield". This could work in combinations of specific animations.(EDIT 15/11/20)5.2 Critical cutscene improvement
Critical cutscene are awesome, but the angle of the camera and the speed should be adjusted so we can enjoy them more.5.3 More combats cutscene and/or animation.
I am not sure what could be considered realistic expectations on this point, but "better"/"more" combats animations could give a feeling of more dynamic, more “real”, less “static” combats.
Community feedback :
- More cutscene would probably slow down combats.(EDIT 15/11/20)
CHAPTER 6: OTHER COMBATS RELATED SUGGESTIONS
6.1 Must have
- Scrolls shouldn’t be usable by anyone (D&D rules)
- Tone Down Enemy 'Special' Attack (Stick more to D&D – Also related to HP bloat / AC reduction and the overall balance of the game)
- Game should let player to use versatile weapons 1H or 2H regardless whether their offhand is empty or not
- Longbows, shortbows, and crossbows all having the same range doesn't make sense. Longbows and crossbows should have a longer range than short bows.
Proper range attack for everything (spells included).
- We should be able to choose who our spells affect if D&D allow us to choose (i.e choose who are the targets of bless)
- In combat, don’t allow us to access to other’s companions inventory. EDIT 15/11/20
- Some players love shared inventory, some love personnal inventory, some suggest being able to pick in others inventorry at "short" (to determine) range.
- Food shouldn’t be an alternative to healing potions or spells. We certainly shouldn’t be able to eat food during combat and maybe we shouldn’t find so much food. HP management is too easy.
- Speed up combats. I guess these suggestions could improve the speed of combats. Less AC reduction / HP Bloat and creatures a little bit closer to the MM should also increase the speed of combats (Faster =/= Easier. There are many ways to increase the difficulty. I.E more damages for ennemies)
- We shouldn’t be able to stay out of combats after we hit an enemy. An enemy under attack should always move to find where the attack come from (to avoid or limit the shoot / hide / shoot / hide / … loop)6.2 Why Not?
- Maybe % hit and/or information about creatures shouldn’t be visible at the first time we encounter them. Something like a growing bestiary could be cool
- The cover mechanic of D&D is great and could increase the tactical value of the game.
TO DO :CHAPTER 7 : ITEMS
7.x Introduction and influence of items on combats
Anyway all this could :
- Balance the game
- Lead to a more D&D general experience in a Larian setting
- Increase synergy between companions
- Increase the tactical value of the game, the possibilities and the freedom in the gameplay. increase our possibility to control the game.
- Cancel the "lack of actions at low level in D&D" (to quote someone)
This is more D&D, this is more Larian and this is more BG. What could be wrong ?
Thanks to the community because it's only because I read MANY feedbacks and suggestions that I'm able to create such a thread. According to me this is consistent and a very good compromise to what BG3 combats could looks like. Please help me to improve this.