Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback I hope Karlach's recruitment will not hinge on killing the Zariel followers

Yeah, my real question is, are there not two types of companions: the ones you can play as origin and the ones you can't?

Huh, In this closed circle of deep seated trauma that is the companions, he is going to stand out like a sore thumb. But, between the former chosen of mystra, the sociopath vampire, and Zariel’s mutt, might be a nice icebreaker for him to run into camp and shout

Hope he is not tadpoled.

We have no idea what Helia's backstory is yet and recent discoveries have so maybe she will be a cheerful and positive companion.

Yup. Same problem. In fact, I've stopped doing her side quest on my playthroughs, except to toss a healing spell her way. Gale doesn't get the yummy, shiny sword, but I'm not going to kill folks simply for being evil (maybe) and worshiping an evil being, or I'd have to take out most of my own party.

I'd like to have as little raidroading as possible, so giving me the option of running away, or making a bargain with them would be better. Still killing in self-defence (when playing as Karlach) is more justifiable than the current player character killing 4 strangers to save one stranger, all of whom have equally murky backgrounds.

Well, there are youtube videos. Here's one. https://youtu.be/3xLuh9mYyWo?t=1333

The player didn't select the question to ask her if she was worried about what the parasite was doing to her, but you can see that the question is there.

Ok thanks. So it makes her story pretty fake then. Cause I don't see how she got the tadpole in her head if she was just passing by. She's either lying or we have some very bad writing here.

You can ask Anders, "You're damning another soul to hell to save your own?" And he answers that her soul is already damned, and that he just needs to send her back to hell. So he isn't damning a new soul to hell, merely returning one to where it belongs.

Believe me, I have tried to find ways to give myself a reason to get that Sword of Justice, but I haven't found any that is strong enough for me to kill either side.

1) You don't have to kill her or them
2) She is not joining you until you get to Baldur's Gate.
3) My Cleric of Tyr had zero issues dispatching the false paladins

He could be lying here, as he did before. Has anyone tried detect thoughts here? (The one spell I keep forgetting about, lol.)

Agreed with OP. I'm hoping I can just heal Karlach and find her in Baldur's gate. This isn't an encounter I enjoyed and I hope killing the warlocks is not required to recruit one of the few good aligned NPCs.

She gave me an impression of her fakiness, too many holes in her story. Not a very good person - judging so far.

I would say origin characters will have tadpoles in their heads, while non-origin companions will not.

I have to agree that Anders actually seems to be a pretty nice guy, and if Karlach stays in her (in my view) ugly design, that holy Paladin of Tyr will always can count me in for some tiefling slaying.

They mislead the player about their identity, and then sent to kill that tiefling without any proof: it's his word vs. her word, and after this is started, we can get proof that he is lying, while she still can be innocent (or not, that will be revealed by the story past early access). They are
They have no honor. No matter the reasons. They aren't doing good, killing the gnolls is just self-defense. They obviously following the orders of someone who can't be called good at all, and they have no excuses considering their past.
We can know more about her

I have no doubts at all: will just treat them as bandits, they are even more dangerous than that, and kill them every time. It's full black, not even gray, despite their excuses.
Not sure about her yet, but so far she seems nice. Kind of a Gale person, just she reveals some of her secrets before joining us, unlike the wizard.

Edit: Wyl told me nothing so far about him (and I finished whole early access and cleared 100%), but he isn't in the party, never was, and that could be the reason. He doesn't talk much in the camp and I don't ask much. He is weird and I trust Shadowheart more than Wyl (not that I can really trust Shadowheart). My party is Lae, Gale, Shadowheart. Wyl and a few others are camp residents. Astarion was killed when he was crying on the road "help, I need help" (a nice sneaky backstab did it, oh well, he asked for help, and this comes from a 100% good character, as that Mandalorian character would say: "I have spoken")

lol, "holy Paladin", that is no more, maybe high CHA needed to make it explain,

She doesnt even have her model yet, everything about her is unfinishied. So I woulent worry

If knock out actually had a purpose this would be a case where you could do it. As it is the quest either wont progress until you kill them or knocking them out will brick the quest. I haven't tried knocking them out so I'm unsure which would occur. I know of only two cases where it results in no known issue and that's the Githyanki Patrol and Halsin (if you wipe out the grove).

@Lonesky

I agree with everything you've said before the edit and yeah, choosing Karlach is the good thing to do. But, at the end of the day, I walk away from that encounter not feeling good about it. Where I really liked putting the boot to the hag, I just didn't like killing

I wasted half my life looking for a one horned Tiefling hoping that Anders and Karlach had their signals crossed and that everything could be cleaned up between them amiably. There are any number of ways to satisfy this quest reasonably and these writers chose the absolute least convincing manner of resolving it

You could heal Karlach, bring her to Anders and force them to admit neither really wants to kill the other.

You could give Anders the Soul Coin and help him satisfy his debt to who-ever-the-fuck he made his deal with,

You could lie without evidence (hard deception)

You could lie with evidence (head off any female teifling and soft deception)

You could talk him out of it (hard persuasion)

Paladin specific Come to Jesus speech (soft persuasion)



Any of those would be more satisfying than the quests as is

This tadpole is really bloody convenient. Immediately we know that it is the affable band of refugees who need to die rather than the red skinned orphan factory.

I suppose some part of the tiefling’s story might be suspect. How she got the tadpole for one. We also do not know how she came under Zariel’s boot other than her blaming “politicians.” It is entirely possible she went to the fiend willingly, only to get cold feet when she realized that, for all the infernal powers she may gain, she would never amount to more than a body for the meatgrinder.