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Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? urktheturtle #738282 23/11/20 05:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2020 Location: The House of Nope JustAnotherBaldu Banned
JustAnotherBaldu Banned Joined: Nov 2020 Location: The House of Nope	Originally Posted by urktheturtle Like every single companion character is caught between two masters, and has some other superflous magical mutation. Kinda true. Everybody has strong "Mary Sue" potential indeed. Astarion = A slave to Cazador Lae'zel = A slave to disrespect Sassy = Probably some Asumar qualitys and a Slave to sass & Amnesia Wynn = Bound by contract to a booty Devil Gale = A slave to his affliction Not a single mere Baker from BaldursGate among us. But tbh it would feel kinda wierd if a complete average Joe would have escaped the Nautiloid and Avernus. With enough luck (?), yes of course. But this was not a gentle flight.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Maximuuus #738324 23/11/20 07:46 PM
Joined: Mar 2015 Arne member
Arne member Joined: Mar 2015	Originally Posted by Maximuuus That's how Larian write things... The game start in hell with mindflayer and dragons and cambions and you're going to the underdark at level 3 + there's another dragon and every creature is powerful and... Everything is so sensational that nothing is really sensational anymore.... Whatever we're talking about the story, the visual effects, the surfaces, the combats,.... Well, you have to somehow grab the attention of potential buyers. It's hard to find the balance between a good story and grabbing attention.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Topgoon #738593 24/11/20 07:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 A Amitaya stranger
Amitaya stranger A Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by Topgoon Originally Posted by Ixal Originally Posted by 1varangian Valid criticism. I would also like more focused storytelling and down to earth characters. It's like this story throws everything and the kitchen sink at you right from the start. It's so much to take in that the multiple storylines and super interesting characters start eating each other's narrative power. I mentioned earlier I would have postponed the whole vampire story sidequest later in the game when you reach the city, when Astarion could also be a higher level character to reflect his 200 years. Give the city a fresh twist too. The beginning has enough with "just" the mind flayers and the githyanki which is already very exotic in Faerun, Hell and cambions... And the Absolute. Put all the focus on what's going on first. Shadowhearts "reveal" could have waited until later. Well, it sort of is I guess but her secret isn't exactly a secret when her armor has like 15 symbols of Shar on it. Gale could have received his condition later during the adventure. Etc.. Not everything needs to happen right away. All of act I happens over the course of a few days. Less is more. The problem with that is that as apparently the choice of companions will be locked from Act 2 forward (same like in DOS2) they kinda have to spill the beans early so people know what they would get with each character. Has this been recently confirmed? The last update I've seen on this was on Kevin Van Ord stream where he mentioned they weren't sure if locking in was a thing. Although that stream appears to be gone now, so I'm not sure if it was pulled down because Larian doesn't want to stand by some of the things he said. The lock of the party composition is the biggest issue that I have so far. I like my characters to evolve slowly over time. Not everything at once. Also locking means that when you leave Act 1, you know that you will not meet anyone new that would join you... kinda anti immersive because you know beforehand. Another issue with it is that all that content is forced into the first area/act and what leaves that for the rest? Only content for the three people you take with you I also loved how I could switch out characters in NWN 2 via the Inn-mechanic. And that game also offered some exciting plot twists for the companions that traveled with you. Even some that lead to them leaving/dying etc. This couldn't happen with a set team. Depending on where you go first and last would also lead to meeting some companions so late that you couldn't have a chance of getting to know them enough to make any choice. I hope they overthink this :S

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Arne #738594 24/11/20 07:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2009 I Ixal old hand
Ixal old hand I Joined: Jul 2009	Originally Posted by Arne Well, you have to somehow grab the attention of potential buyers. It's hard to find the balance between a good story and grabbing attention. Most buyers don't know the stories of the individual characters before buying.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Ixal #738609 24/11/20 07:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2020 Aria Athena stranger
Aria Athena stranger Joined: Nov 2020	Originally Posted by Ixal [quote=Arne] Most buyers don't know the stories of the individual characters before buying. First time I read about their stories was on the BG3 main page and I couldn't stop laughing. The descriptions are even spiced up for no reason. Your main character can be whoever you want, no pressure. Last edited by Aria Athena; 24/11/20 07:59 PM.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? urktheturtle #738615 24/11/20 08:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2020 E EMC_V member
EMC_V member E Joined: Nov 2020	I hope they don't lock the group. It would be disappointing. I'm not sure why they insist so much in the "origins" part.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? urktheturtle #738629 24/11/20 08:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2020 A Ari journeyman
Ari journeyman A Joined: Nov 2020	Based on character backstory and the places we have been, feels more like I am in a group of level 15s to possibly epics. Whatever happened to killing rats in a basement somewhere? You know, for old times sake.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? urktheturtle #738636 24/11/20 08:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2020 E EMC_V member
EMC_V member E Joined: Nov 2020	The rats would be giantic space rats and bubu's nemesis ðŸ˜‚

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Ixal #738660 24/11/20 09:47 PM
Joined: Mar 2015 Arne member
Arne member Joined: Mar 2015	Originally Posted by Ixal Originally Posted by Arne Well, you have to somehow grab the attention of potential buyers. It's hard to find the balance between a good story and grabbing attention. Most buyers don't know the stories of the individual characters before buying. Yes, but between saving the world, Dragons, Illithids, playing a Tiefling/Drow/Vampire/Githyanki and having lots of beautiful women (Okay, right now that is contestable) there isn't much left to grab attention even more.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Amitaya #738743 25/11/20 12:52 AM
Joined: Oct 2020 T trengilly member
trengilly member T Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by Amitaya Originally Posted by Topgoon Originally Posted by Ixal Originally Posted by 1varangian Valid criticism. I would also like more focused storytelling and down to earth characters. It's like this story throws everything and the kitchen sink at you right from the start. It's so much to take in that the multiple storylines and super interesting characters start eating each other's narrative power. I mentioned earlier I would have postponed the whole vampire story sidequest later in the game when you reach the city, when Astarion could also be a higher level character to reflect his 200 years. Give the city a fresh twist too. The beginning has enough with "just" the mind flayers and the githyanki which is already very exotic in Faerun, Hell and cambions... And the Absolute. Put all the focus on what's going on first. Shadowhearts "reveal" could have waited until later. Well, it sort of is I guess but her secret isn't exactly a secret when her armor has like 15 symbols of Shar on it. Gale could have received his condition later during the adventure. Etc.. Not everything needs to happen right away. All of act I happens over the course of a few days. Less is more. The problem with that is that as apparently the choice of companions will be locked from Act 2 forward (same like in DOS2) they kinda have to spill the beans early so people know what they would get with each character. Has this been recently confirmed? The last update I've seen on this was on Kevin Van Ord stream where he mentioned they weren't sure if locking in was a thing. Although that stream appears to be gone now, so I'm not sure if it was pulled down because Larian doesn't want to stand by some of the things he said. The lock of the party composition is the biggest issue that I have so far. I like my characters to evolve slowly over time. Not everything at once. Also locking means that when you leave Act 1, you know that you will not meet anyone new that would join you... kinda anti immersive because you know beforehand. Another issue with it is that all that content is forced into the first area/act and what leaves that for the rest? Only content for the three people you take with you I also loved how I could switch out characters in NWN 2 via the Inn-mechanic. And that game also offered some exciting plot twists for the companions that traveled with you. Even some that lead to them leaving/dying etc. This couldn't happen with a set team. Depending on where you go first and last would also lead to meeting some companions so late that you couldn't have a chance of getting to know them enough to make any choice. I hope they overthink this :S I'm mixed on the locked companions thing but I can understand why they might want to lock them. It makes it easier for them to keep the story focus on those characters and make sure you don't miss their character content. And its easier for them to balance loot around a party of 4 instead of a group that could be any size up to 10?. And I assume there will be some, hopefully, interesting story reason for why/how you end up with a locked group. An idea I'd love to see in a game . . . the companion who dislikes you the most ends up leaving your party and becomes a main enemy that you have to face over the course of the next chapters . . . perhaps becoming the main henchman of the ultimate bad guy.

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? JustAnotherBaldu #738870 25/11/20 02:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Zefhyr member
Zefhyr member Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by JustAnotherBaldu But tbh it would feel kinda wierd if a complete average Joe would have escaped the Nautiloid and Avernus. With enough luck (?), yes of course. But this was not a gentle flight. It looks like the perfect description of the MC ! xD

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? JustAnotherBaldu #738873 25/11/20 02:45 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Vamathi journeyman
Vamathi journeyman Joined: Oct 2020	Now to figure out what the player characters are slaves to â€œThere is only one thing we say to Death: Not today.â€

Re: Why is every character caught between two forces? Vamathi #739057 26/11/20 12:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2020 Location: Silverymoon Tarlonniel old hand
Tarlonniel old hand Joined: Nov 2020 Location: Silverymoon	Originally Posted by Vamathi Now to figure out what the player characters are slaves to The player.

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