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Originally Posted by Demoulius
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Originally Posted by Demoulius
Shadowheart doesent really come across like a CHA14 character hence why ive given her the CHA stat of 10. She can sort of try to use her charms but she still comes across as cold and calculated, not really CHA14 material xD.

Remember that CHA is not being charming, it is the force of your personality. It might manifest as being happy and cheerful and likeable, but might also be brooding and glowering. It is about influence rather than charm.

CHA is baiscly the sum of your appearance, mannerism, social skills, etc. Its the whole package. And Shadowheart is about as charming and sociable as a flaming barn. Maybe her looks could give here a few more points or something but overall she isent a very social character.


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Originally Posted by Demoulius
CHA is baiscly the sum of your appearance, mannerism, social skills, etc. Its the whole package. And Shadowheart is about as charming and sociable as a flaming barn. Maybe her looks could give here a few more points or something but overall she isent a very social character.

CHA is personality, it has nothing necessarily to do with being attractive physically or being sociable (although you could define your own character in those terms). Appearance is not a factor of the game, and social skills are dealt with using... social skills. You improve Diplomacy, Deception, Intimidation and so on if you want to be that sort of character.

A high CHA character could be ugly as sin and barely coherent in speech, so long as he or she is impressive enough to hold people's attention and sway them to his or her will. That could be by sweet-talking, but it could just as easily be by casting them withering looks. It might be charm or it might be a commanding presence. Genghis Khan was a commanding leader, and just the type to be allocated a high CHA, but he was never going to be a pin-up or a talk-show host.

Conflating CHA with being attractive is a mistake that has been made since the game began, with plenty of writers and GMs using it as a shorthand for beauty (hence you used to see blond bimbo NPCs with high CHA even though they had the personality of a goldfish).


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Just as a heads-up according to the wiki her stats have been changed in the latest patch: STR 10, DEX 15, CON 13, INT 8, WIS 16, CHA 14

Assuming the standard array that would be:
WIS: 15 + 1
DEX: 14 + 1
CON: 13
CHA: 12 + 2
STR: 10
INT: 8

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They changed get Dex to 14? Noize!


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