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So started new playthrough with a druid, using no mods and the default options.

Tutorial feedback:

• New Video Tutorials are nice but we need more of them.
• Could the video be scaled bigger?
• Did not see ones for: ( full list is in Journal - Tutorial )
• Using alt key. ( found the list of tutorial, this is under tooltips )
• Save management still needs to be improved
• Cinematics do look better
• Still too many explosive barrels, in the first imp fight, one did flamebolt and half that starting area exploded, killing Us.
• Camera controls and movement still a bit clunky, I do we there was a camera mode to follow the main character and WASD or arrow keys for movement.
• Pathfinding seems better.
• So after Us was dead, there was another Cinematics that pooped up where Us told us to go to the helm, seems like that would be a bug.

I'll add more and I test more.

• Lootable barrels do not display with alt key
• Looks like all the videos for tutorials are not done yet.
• Druid at level 2 of the moon do not get a flying wild shape which is correct.
• Once the wildshape window is open, can not dismiss it? So quitting the game is the only way I have figured out how to close that window so far.
• For some reason, Shadowheart did not level when I did. When Astarian joined, he was level 2. (OK, she leveled on the next encounter )
• Got an inspiration point for killing the mindflayer from the crash, hope we have more ways to get them in the game.
• So pathfinding still needs more work, party ran right through an acid puddle.
• Wizard can still learn Cleric spells, since this is patch 4, starting to think Larian sees this as a feature and no a bug.
• Food still heals in combat and since there a video tutorial for it, I expect that is here to stay.
• Moving behind someone still gives advantage and since there a video tutorial for it, I expect that is here to stay.
• Higher ground still gives advantage for attacker and since there a video tutorial for it, I expect that is here to stay.
• If you go to bed and there people who wish to talk to you, you get a pop up asking you if you want to sleep without talking to them.

Chapel area

• Can not cancel an attack or spell. It was that I could hit the escape key to change a melee attack or range attack or if I had a spell selected, I could cancel it to do another action. I am not able to do that in patch 4.
• The maps are still be bad, hope they get improved.
• If Wildshaped, turn back to humanoid automatically for conversations, not sure how I feel about that, I can see why but still seems a bit strange.
• The Chapel is a good level 2 adventure though I did use a long rest after each encounter, just using simple tactics, was not much of an issue with Gale, Shadowheart, Asterian and a Moon Druid.
• Moon Druid is a bit overpowered at 2nd level with that 30 heath bear. Only issue is no range attack so few turns had to use dash to move to next target.

Druid Grove

• Druid Grove gate still bet off the attack but every NPC outside died, oh well.
• So Zelkor will not talk to a Bear. Have to manually dismiss Wildshape.
• Zelkor does not have any dialog about me being a Tiefling or a Druid?
• Arron, the Druid vendor offers a discount to fellow Druids.
• So selling all the junk I picked up until now, I made like 1250 gold.
• Arcane Trickster can not learn spells from scrolls which seems to be correct.
• Dialogs are still not allowing you to switch to your main if you have another person selected when you start one.
• The Guidance bug where party started to dance about when it was cast looks to be fixed.
• Leveling seems to restore you like a long rest?
• Casting Guidance is easier with ability to target portraits
• Saving child from Kagha is easier now? Was just one roll.
• So they fixed the conversation with Nettie, no longer do you have to make several rolls, she just talk through it all with you. They added more details too so it’s much better now.

Thanks for the update.

On a positive note, PRAISE THE LORD THE COMBAT LOG NOW DEFAULTS TO MOST RECENT FIRST!

ah, thanks, that might explain why Im at 42 MB/s on a 1Gb Internet connection

I didn't play a lot but I'm very positive about this patch.
I won't talk about the other issues (highground, backstab, food during combats, scrolls for everyone...), there are many threads about it.

Anyway...

- The user interface is really better and I guess it should tone down the "DoS3 arguments".
- I really enjoy the new character sheet but it still missing informations such as proficiencies.
- Cinematics looks better a new dialogs are cool. I already see many things I didn't saw in my early playtrhough (maybe because I had better rolls ? Idk)
- I'm a bit confuse with the druid spell... Don't remember the name... The spell that create fire you can throw to deal 1D8. It's very strange to have a blue flame that becomes Orange when you throw it. Not sure why it's blue at the beginning.
- The inventory weight seems okay now, but inventory management is really tedious. You should really consider an inventory for the party if you don't intend to really create individual inventories (everyone can pick in everyone's inventory at each time - at the moment i's a party inventory with a tedious weight management).
- The dying mindflayer at the crashsite is still "dying" with 3HP after 3 days
- The "form a line" in the cinematic at the grove is really really inconsistent. There are 3, there is an archer, the warriors just charge after saying "form a line". This is a detail, but this is non sense
- Entangle doesn't seems to work properly. Ennemies that shouldn't move... can move.
- Flame blade (not sur the EN name, the lvl 2 spell that gives you a fire cemetery) require concentration, but the concentration icon doesn't appear above "hide"
- It's really strange that you fall on the beach at night but it's very sunny when you wake up. I think the animations could looks like your character was inconscious but at the moment it really looks like 1sec happen.

That's not very exhaustive but that's what I remember.
This patch looks great even if it doesn't answer any of my main concern.

On rolls in dialogs I had make all of them until I got to the 2 thieflings guarding Laz'eal. I was worried that somehow I had loaded dice on but then I rolled a 1 when I only needed a 3.

Agreed. By including them in the tutorial, it’s Larian’s way of telling everyone that part of combat is not going away. I think at this point all we can offer is a compromise.

Very unfortunate news.

Good God! The patch is almost as big as the entire game lol.

63%... averaging 1.8mb/second... Trying to stay patient.

I'm not sure about the Wizard/Cleric scroll part, but the rest we can deal with on our own.

I’m genuinely happy you’re up for this, Scribe… but this is still utterly disappointing for me. I have a group of friends who can only play this on console, and I really want to play co-op with them when it’s eventually released there – hence wanting the game to be as good as it can be without resorting to mods.

On Steam? I was at 30mb throughout. Quite surprised actually.

GoG... I'm up to 77% now though, so it won't be much longer.

Druid looks nice, I just played through the Nautiloid to the Beach. Lip sync was a little better, though Lae'zel is still zipper lip'd during the flip the switch dialogue. Cinematics looks a little cleaner, still some chop but smoother than before, and the crash looks better at night. Double shadowheart at the door is gone, but she still had the zipper lip for line there.

What changed about the UI? I can't tell any major differences from patch 3.

Hotbar still unlocking automatically after reload, just noticed after first save out. I don't note the cursor delay for the hotbar as much, though its still same bar for everything (no separate spellbar yet) but inventory cursor delay still going on.

Camera control feels basically the same, Z axis still locked.

I have kind of given up on trying to enjoy the ISO cam, and just play it in driving view max zoom-in as much as possible.

Least we have something to play around with now though

I'm not sure, but I think that may be the sequence that has always been there. If you kill 'Us' and then go up to the upper level (just before you cut through the membrane and enter to where Shadowheart's pod is), there is a second Intellect Devourer that will approach you and tell you to go to the helm.

Steam says my download will be done in about three days. You're all lucky as Heck you live in an area with good internet!

That is one thing I will give steam, they have phat pipes for downloading. A lot faster than GOG. I will still for the most part stick with GOG for the DRM free, and I just really hate Steam and their censoring and bs nowadays. Not even mentioning their return policy.

I feel you on that, I'm just hoping we dont lose access to any of the code.

Well I gave it another hour, and somewhat less impressed with the lip sync now lol. I'm certain its been cleaned up a bit, but so far Shadowheart, Lae'zel and Astarion all delivered a line without moving their lips in each of their intro dialogs. Aradin as well during the Gate interlude. These are more notable, because they happen so early on and its material we've played through several times.

I didn't notice anything new in the Nautiloid content, where are those video tutorials?

At Char creation the second male voice set seems like it might have gotten a bit of a rework? No complaints.

Not sure how it will work with future patch ins, since they're supposed to be smaller/more frequent right? but it would be nice for the clean up if they really weighted it towards the earlier content. Like everything on the Nautiloid, then the Beach, then the Grove at least, cause I feel like that should be totally dialed by now with lips. But I will keep an eye out. The movement and UI controls feel largely the same to me, I'm curious what changed with the interface?

GoG Galaxy froze up at 92%, I killed it and reopened it (usually works when it freezes) and it restarted the download from scratch, got to 3% and froze again... Can someone tell me what patch version # this is so that I can go to GoG.com and make sure it is there for me to manually download? I'm showing they have version 4.1.90.6165 as the latest, but I don't think that is correct.

I read the patch notes and there was no clear indication that they fixed the elusiveness of companion scenes during camp (e.g. Weave scene from Gale, Astarion star scenes, etc); In past iterations of the game, many players reported not being able to properly trigger/having difficulty in triggering companion specific scenes when calling it a night at camp; A lot of save scumming, camp spamming, and excessive experimentation was required from players in past patches as the game seems to only trigger companion scenes under very particular instances which made the chunk of the side story miss-able. It was also possible to finish early access by only using camp a couple of times, so this was reported by a number of players as they were missing a lot of story beats that would have made their playthroughs richer in quality.

I know the patch was only out a couple of hours ago, but would the speed runners among us care to share their experience on this past issue and advise whether this was addressed by Larian in patch 4? I believe they also removed the Tiefling camp party romance scenes during a hotfix last year; Was it already added back with better cinematics?

Im trying to avoid getting burnt out by the game during EA so I ideally would want to make a new PT only when this problem is addressed by Larian.

I read the patch notes and there was no clear indication that they fixed the elusiveness of companion scenes during camp (e.g. Weave scene from Gale, Astarion star scenes, etc); In past iterations of the game, many players reported not being able to properly trigger/having difficulty in triggering companion specific scenes when calling it a night at camp; A lot of save scumming, camp spamming, and excessive experimentation was required from players in past patches as the game seems to only trigger companion scenes under very particular instances which made the chunk of the side story miss-able. It was also possible to finish early access by only using camp a couple of times, so this was reported by a number of players as they were missing a lot of story beats that would have made their playthroughs richer in quality.

I know the patch was only out a couple of hours ago, but would the speed runners among us care to share their experience on this past issue and advise whether this was addressed by Larian in patch 4? I believe they also removed the Tiefling camp party romance scenes during a hotfix last year; Was it already added back with better cinematics?

Im trying to avoid getting burnt out by the game during EA so I ideally would want to make a new PT only when this problem is addressed by Larian.

I'm at 8 - 10 MBS with steam and i have pretty terrible internet

I started playing through patch 4 today to document dice rolls to see what weighted dice distribution looks like.

However, I noticed I was having more fun in combat. Things felt more free, more fluid. I noticed something different with high ground on the stairs of the deck of the nautiloid. So I chose to test out what I was seeing, once I got to a location with more verticality.

Here are the findings

For a baseline of understanding. Here is how backstab appears and is documented in game.
Backstab UI
Backstab in the Combat Log

Notice that Advantage is clearly displayed with the roll.

Now notice the UI when shooting an arrow from low ground
Smallest of Low Ground
Now look at the attack roll in the combat log Disadvantage was not applied.
The Combat Log

Comparing this to higher verticality for a sanity check. Higher verticality is working as expected.
Low Ground UI
Result in the Combat Log

It's really cool, it looks like the issue with the smallest inflection of low ground causing disadvantage has been not part of the game's long term design. There is the start to a fix in Patch 4, but the UI isn't ready yet. I'm ecstatic, I'm now looking forward to future combat. So I chose to do even more testing to see if the change is consistent.

Where disadvantage is applied
Verticality Test 1

Where the player gets a normal attack roll
Verticality Test 2

I then went on to test if some changes to the UI were already in the game
Testing with right-clicking off the spell to reset the UI

Note where I am standing for this attack preview, and compare to Verticality Test 2
EDIT: Forgot to add this to the original post
The attack in Verticality Test 2 is performed at a lower area from where I am standing.

this last section that came up in the testing is an indication, that high ground was always intended to have a verticality threshold to apply Disadvantage/Advantage.

I'm now keeping an open mind as I play through patch 4. Combat has been more enjoyable and fluid without being forced to avoid disadvantage on ranged attacks every battle. I'm going to use patch 4 to reset my opinion on how I feel about High/Low Ground Advantage/Disadvantage in Baldur's Gate 3.

This change may seem small, but is has made a good change to combat. This is a step in the right direction and I hope the UI will be patched soon to reflect these changes!


The combat log is showing what is actually happening in game.

I can't confirm for certain, but I don't suspect it has been, otherwise they would surely have mentioned it as something notably more important than telling us in three separate places that they fixed how a goblin pees.

This is actually pretty major. But I can see why the devs didn't mention any of this in the patch notes, because attempting to describe this at all would have been confusing as hell. If I'm reading this post right, your last picture is showing that the attack would be at disadvantage from where you're standing in said picture, but the attack was performed at a slightly lower angle in the 'Verticality Test 2' picture, and the actual attack roll from there didn't have disadvantage like the other picture said it was supposed to have?

I hope there is something Larian can implement in the UI to show the player where they can consider moving with their remaining movement points in order to remove disadvantage/gain advantage with ranged attacks. If this is here to stay, we're going to need to be informed better than to risk using our remaining movement points moving to an area that only looks like it might be beneficial to the naked eye, only to find out that it really isn't.

It was a challenge writing the original post, it really needed screen captures to make any sense.


Yes, all across the staircase attacks were rolled at normal not disadvantage. Verticality test 1 is where the game is rolling the attack at disadvantage.

The attack rolls are consistent across testing. What is inconsistent is the UI, the UI has a tendency to show what we experienced in patch 3 but sometimes it will correctly show that disadvantage will not be applied on the attack roll.


Agreed, it took a bit of testing to find out what verticality it will and won't apply. The staircases were nicely sized to use for testing, I'm wondering how this will work in the Underdark at the moment. Hopefully this is consistent through the rest of patch 4.

Maybe you could amend this section of the original post like so, to get the point across in a less confusing manner?

I had to review the pictures like 3 times each before I finally understood that what you are saying is that the UI is now showing us inaccurate indications for exactly where the threshold for attacks to gain advantage/disadvantage are. The thresholds may have actually changed in Patch 4 to require a much larger difference in high/low ground in order to gain advantage/disadvantage, but the UI is operating under Patch 3 standards when calculating advantage/disadvantage and chance to hit.

I've edited the post, thank you for the suggestion.

First impression after trying out , I like the work they did on the viusal, it's really clearer and more beautiful. I did not expect too much because I'm not that sold on druid , I started a new game with two custom chars , a druid and a warlock meant to be 'evilk' and so far simply from the look and feel . I got hooked again.

All this time later, I have managed to find a decent work around that has gotten me working (in Vulkan only)... and I now have a question. Has anyone figured out how/where to use the Pod Key?

Well, I'm going to post an inquiry on Reddit, because this is something interesting enough to investigate for multiple reasons. See if I can get some more useful examples from there, even if there are maybe only a handful of people there today who would actually be any interested in this kind of stuff. I will be doing some testing in the tutorial myself using an archer.

I especially want to figure out if the same applies to the advantage half of this, which I think the tutorial might provide a few good places to test this. It would be really bad if the UI was showing people having advantage in the attack preview but the actual attack is being rolled normally, and it'd be interesting to see if the AI is subject to making the same mistake themselves. (As in, will they know the correct height to get advantage, or will the AI get fooled into simply thinking they are?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/lst8ca/there_appears_to_be_an_undocumented_change_to/

Okay, I can tell you SOMETHING is happening. And I don't understand WHAT. My mind hurts trying to make sense of this at all.

Test 1:

- UI preview shows this as a normal roll.
- Slightly moving the mouse downwards on the enemy model, with my character standing in the SAME SPOT, suddenly previews as an advantage roll???

(Fun fact: The same principle that I imply above could actually be used to great effect in DOS2. If you tried to aim at an enemy but the preview showed that your arrow would be blocked by a narrow pillar or something, you could try ‘fishing’ around the enemy model until you find the pixel perfect angle for the game to let you snipe at them. Even if it was a foot barely sticking out.

This principle made it easier for Dwarves to avoid line of sight from enemy archers, while simultaneously making them the worst archers in theory. But only slightly.)

Test 2:

- I moved slightly downwards to a point where the UI tells me I would not have advantage while attacking.
- The actual attack roll tells me I performed the attack at advantage anyway.

So it's hard to draw any conclusions as to what, at all, actually changed. Only that the attack preview can't really be trusted now when it comes to making attacks from height around the thresh holds. I may need to find a different non-hovering target. But that will have to wait until after I come home from work in another half a day.

I am getting very close to declaring this as a mostly UI bug, but it does feel like something did actually change at the same time. In order for us to even conclude that the actual breakpoints actually did change at all, we'd need to find someone still playing in Patch 3 to make a direct comparison with. I would roll back to the previous version myself if I have to, once you find a suitable location that I can easily access.

...

Well, looks like I'm staying on these forums a bit longer, because chasing down stuff like this is a legitimately interesting change of pace from the usual doomposting arguments. I guess now is as good a time to say this again, and you all know I've never used this phrase in a joking ironic manner.

Programming is hard.

Who the hells is Zelkor? O_o

If it helps with the investigation (I've got other things I'm focused on right now, and also struggling with... eh... let's call it motivation):

In D:OS2, where you targeted on the enemy made a very important difference, since it measured how far away things were, and line of sight, based on your exact cursor point. Especially for skills that took their damage modifier off how far away your target was - you would often get substantially more damage if you could wrangle your camera/cursor to target the furthest away pixel on your enemy, and often whether you could hit something or not was a fight-the-ui game of seeing IF there was a pixel on the enemy that it would give you a clear line for.

If they have lifted the majority of their code base from that (they have), then it's very likely that it's measuring distance based on your exact cursor position on the model, so in the case where you and your target are close to the right distance/elevation apart, it will change based on where you aim.

Yeah I’m beginning to suspect that the break points did not actually change.

It seems far more likely the UI hasn’t been entirely honest to us this entire time, maybe even since launch, and it took all the way until today for someone specifically testing the break points to notice.

I guess, they mean Zevlor?

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/lssfm5/so_a_goblin_shoved_my_flaming_sphere_into_the/

... I am not gonna lie, this is actually pretty hilarious.

It feels like Larian turned on the shove button for everything, specifically to get feedback on it. Going to be interesting to see how the wider community reacts to this.

Yeah - you can see the improvements each patch - coming along nicely

At this point saying I'm getting discouraged about this game is putting it mildly. This patch seems like a fucking bummer from top to end.
I almost feel ashamed about the fact that I defended Larian when this was announced saying that I trusted them to have the talent to make a great Baldur's Gate sequel... Then again, it's not the talent that's missing here, it's the intent.

Frankly I'm sticking around just to chitchat sparsely about the game and share pointless opinions with other users, because I'm fairly resigned to the idea that nothing the community is being vocal about will matter in the slightest.
Hell, if anything Larian seems to be fond (possibly even PROUD) of all the "junk" they are injecting into the system and how it's effecting the flow of the combat.

I got the "stars" scene with Astarion very easily, but I couldn't get the scene with Raphael. Maybe because it was a speedrun.

I also checked Astarion romance scene, the bug was fixed, but I see that half of the scene was cut again and maybe it is changed or improved, I do not know.
Larian was told that they "improved" the light, but now for some reason everything is too bright...

Aaah eurojank

I know patch 4 released Druids but I was hoping that they would have added some of missing subclasses / features / spells from the Player's Handbook along with the Druid.

Cleric: Knowledge, Nature, Tempest, War Domains
Fighter: Battle Master: Many Maneuver, Champion
Rogue: Assassin
Warlock: Patron: Archfey Pact: Blade, Tome
Wizard: Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Evocation, Illusion, Necromancy, Transmutation
Too many spells to list but some really core ones like Spiritual Weapon

There are other features like Rogue expertise, etc too.

so we have a bit more stuff to test.

I am a bit worried that other stuff not being added / finished.

If what we have is all we are getting for the included classes, it's a really poor version of D&D 5e.

Is anyone still playing on Patch 3 to test?

I remember documenting dice rolls for this thread. Ratio of Dice Rolls
The result was consistent with the UI then.
(I was focused on getting as many normal rolls as possible for the data set).

So about Entangle -- it seems to last for only one turn, but the counter counts down at the start of the entangled character's next turn, meaning they're immediately untangled and the spell effectively does nothing.

It's a wasted spell slot to cast this on an area enemies are already inside. To be effective, you need to cast it on an area the enemy will pass through, as they then lose their turn of they fail the check.

Just for comparison, these are the differences from Entangle in the book:

I think the duration issue may be because it might be coded as to just create a "thorny wine" (you know like we already had in-game prior to this patch, I can't remember the exact name of it) surface effect, and the existing thorny wine effect presumes that a character runs inside it it on their own turn rather than the effect being called on them on another character's turn.

The workaround did not work (well, it did... but it didn't. Hard to explain), so I uninstalled GoG Galaxy and deleted the entire game... oddly, it would not allow me to delete the BG3x11 exe file no matter how hard I tried or what permissions I gave... so I have now reinstalled GoG Galaxy and am reinstalling BG3 in an entirely new location. Not sure if the wonkiness I have encountered had anything to do with it, but when I was trying the workaround last night and I played with the druid abilities the little popup windows (for selecting wildshape and one of the other abilities) would not go away once opened... no matter what I did. I tried going from area to area, triggering cut scenes, even long rest... they just stayed there. Anyway, when I'm finally done redownloading and reinstalling, I'll try again and post in one of the actual bug threads if it still keeps happening.

This is depressing. No communication with the community on why, just a video tutorial reaffirming their stance.

You and I butted heads so many times before the end of 2020. I am actually sad that resignation has set in (for both of us).

These are all the worst aspects of BG3 so far.

If they think giving Wizards access to all spells is good and fun they have no clue how a class based system needs to work. Wizards are my favourite class and I certainly don't want them overpowered in this cheesy way. And if I play a Cleric/Warlock/Druid, I don't want Wizards to take away my unique class perks.

And since Backstab and High ground are so easy to pull off and game changing powerful, they are actually making tactical combat worse, not better. Something that you always do is not a tactic, Larian.

The food healing in combat is just utterly stupid as a concept, even. And again, makes healing classes worse.

What’s the point of Goodberry? Four 1d4 heals? Why waste a spell slot when you can find food that does the same thing?

It'll be a good spell if they add survival mechanics or if they remove the ability to consume normal food in combat.
Though only 4 seems smaller than I remember it supposed to be able to do?

5e rules you get 10 and each heal one point. The biggest feature is it feeds you for the whole day.

Now there are some exploits with one level of life cleric dip but we won’t go there.

Larian Goodberries should heal 1d4 and remove some negative effect like poisoned.

I'll add my own observations after a few hours of the new patch (7 of my 108 hours), whilst trying not to repeat the OPs observations. As off writing I hadn't competed an Act 1 playthrough - I had to quit after Gale glitched outside the Temple during combat, preventing me from ending his turn and continuing - last bloody Gob to kill as well . Plus repeated attempts at the fight with the Woad things and Mud Mephits took up a lot of time(RNG still hates me).

Druid

So far I'm enjoying it, but I haven't played real D&D since 3.5, so no idea if it is true to the current rules. Not sure I like the idea of Shapeshifting with only 1 HP left, soaking up more damage then shifting back before going down - seems a bit of an exploit for me, but I'm sure some will make full use of it.

The new interactions with Nettie were welcome as after a couple of playthroughs I stopped bothering with her.

I got the Faithwarden reward without having to save scum the rolls, which was nice. Also, it's a faster route to the gauntlets from Zevlor than getting Halsin back.

Graphics
The climbing graphic looks a bit weird to me.

I had odd graphic glitches and weird lines displaying, but I'm using the DX-11 settings and my rig is around 5 years old.

Random Stuff
Can't pick the lock to Khaga's chest. Stealing the key won't let me open it either. Still got the quest resolved by fighting the Woad things and finding the letter.

Locks in the Blighted Village (particularly the Smithy) are no longer pickable. The key is easy to get though.

I think we really need an obvious button to cancel Concentration spells. I finished the swamp Woad thing fight (third attempt) with my PC dead inside a cloud created by Gale with around 3K turn before it dissipated. I couldn't rez her, my companions wouldn't jump away (it was on the bit between their island and the little one with the container), I couldn't go to camp and use the Lich/Undead fella either (wouldn't let me). Fortunately I could do the replenish spell with Gale and recast the cloud thing elsewhere and access Tav (I gave up renaming them). I had a similar issue earlier trying to get through my own Vines casting without taking damage. If there is an existing way to cancel a Concentration area spell, please make it more obvious to senile old farts like me.

I got caught out in the dungeon where you rescue the downed gnome druid. I usually enter through the external door after getting fed up with the protracted destruction of the guardian statue. Now the statue at that end shoots you as well. So after reloading and going in the old way via the prison and shooting the statue, killing the Gobs, I sent Astarion on his own over to get the key, as I have done for the past 5 or 6 play throughs. He died before I could jump back when the the new statues on the opposite wall all shot the crap out of him. The Gnome can bugger off.

I now go round the side of the Blighted Village and start the combat on my own terms. I noticed the sleeping Bug Bear now has 27 HP not 8 and I didn't one hit it with my Druid. Also during the subsequent fight when I was on top of the smithy my companions wouldn't move to a position to shoot the Gob inside the Smithy like they used to - they simply tried to shoot through the roof. My neighbour now thinks I'm an angry psycho.

I've still got a lot to play through for this Druid, but I'm a bottle of Yellow Tail Merlot down, so It might not go well.

There's something very bugged with the preview.

I blinded Karlach to get advantage. We are on even ground.

If I aim at her body: 96% chance to hit
if I aim at her head: 80% chance to hit from the low ground, she must be a very tall woman!

Final outcome was correct: Advantage attack even though I aimed at her head.


screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/n5eMkyK

That's good Saberem, thank you for confirming what I'm seeing with low ground prompts.

I haven't had the chance to test advantage similar to how Saito did (I've only focused on Low Ground). Hopefully I'll have time tonight to test more and keep documenting dice rolls.

I can buy into the idea code was brought over from D:OS2 for the UI. (Or it's the same programmer).

I downloaded Patch 4 yesterday and played BG3 successfully. Today as I try and login it says it is updating (looks to be another huge file). Is there another Patch or is this some sort of mistake/bug?

Probably this hotpatch? https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=760262&gonew=1#UNREAD

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

This is only my first run through post-patch 4 and I'm nowhere near done, but so far I have a few observations and requests.


Observations:
1. The Illithid dreams look fantastic now.
2. The Raindancer staff (from Aaron in the Grove) only allowed Gale to cast rain once, then it vanished from his spell list. Unequipping/reequipping didn't correct it.
3. I'm a little worried that Gale's approval is still borked. I'm pretty much at max approval but no Weave scene. In fact, it skipped the Go to Hell scene and went straight to the Mirror scene.
4. HOLY MOLY the Gith fight got a LOT harder.
5. Healing Pandirna in the storage building now no longer does anything. Is that on purpose?
6. Wow, all the new traps in the underground passage to the Grove... I could barely move after a certain point without getting absolutely hammered, but the goblins got in unscathed somehow. Is this a hazing? Because it feels like a hazing.
7. Thank you for fixing the pass phrase option when getting into the Zhent hideout!


Requests:
1. We can pick up so much stuff and add it to camp, but not chairs. I'd like to add some of the chairs I find to my camp. I mean, sitting in the mud is so undignified.
2. speaking of things for camp, how hard would it be to make clutter items (dishes, books, etc.) stackable? Because that would be cool.
3. Could there be some more faces to choose from? Please?

That's it for now. Having a blast so far. Thanks for making it great and letting us speak up as you go.

Cheers. Sorted now.

If you don't have percentage to-hits that are even multiples of 5, you have Advantage or Disadvantage. Those images clearly show that you are at disadvantage from low ground (56% isn't an even multiple of 5) and the combat log is what is messed up (it isn't showing the disadvantage).

So someone at Reddit posted this interesting comment in regards to my inquiry.

I think it might be the way the preview works.

The preview probably compares the position of your character to the position of your cursor. The actual attack likely uses the position of your character and the anchor point of your target.

This likely isn't the full story, but it might be part of it, judging from how I was getting advantage/normal roll previews based on nothing but moving my cursor around the enemy model. It made me think back to that one specific bug that Larian kept emphasizing in the patch notes. Three times to be exact. That whole thing about the one NPC peeing higher than should be anatomically possible from a visual perspective.

What if a different but similar version of that is at play here? As in, perhaps the previews are accurate, the real issue might be that the game could be reading our positions incorrectly upon launching an attack (as in, calculating our characters to be slightly higher in elevation than we actually are)? It would explain myself being able to get advantage rolls when the preview says I shouldn't, and it would also explain disadvantage previews resulting in a normal attack roll at the same time. A widening of the break points should mean that it would be harder to get a low ground disadvantage penalty AND a high ground advantage bonus at the same time. But I have not observed advantage previews turning into normal rolls throughout any of my tests, only the exact opposite.

Of course, that also brings up the question, why does this possible bug favor only us? To which I would answer that it's not really just us. The calculations probably only adjust the attacker upwards, not the defender, and we don't get that much visual data about how the enemy AI calculates high ground/low ground.

I'd say the UI is definitely bugged. I've got some high ground tests to supplement that. I'm still leaning towards the logic to granting advantage/disadvantage has been changed. It may technically be bugged right now too, but combat has been a lot more fun not having advantage and disadvantage be everywhere xD
I think the logic for the UI was also changed from patch 3. I'm not yet ready to go back to patch 3 to full test it out as combat was a slog, lol.

The crypt seemed like a smart choice to test out high ground, since the fight started the player with high ground advantage in Patch 3.
Here we can clearly see high ground advantage is not being given to Gale.
Gale in the Crypt
Now we can see the result matches the UI, something in the logic/code has changed.
The following combat log

I chose to confirm this with Astarion, since he has dark vision.
Astarion's prediction in the UI
The result in the combat log
We see an expected outcome from the change.

Now check out what happens when Tav targets an enemy a greater distance away.
UI says it will be a normal attack
The game rolled the dice with advantage
It seems like there is a minimum distance check now for high ground advantage, and the UI is struggling to keep up with the change.

Here is Tav attacking a closer enemy from the same spot/elevation.
The UI
The Combat Log

Again, the attack rolls are consistent with positioning and the success rate has been what we would expect from Advantage/Normal/Disadvantage. The UI is a bit of a mess explaining what roll you will get.

What is really interesting is that with repeated tests, the outcome is what a player would expect if it was a normal attack roll. The combat log seems to be showing what was actually rolled by the game. It's definitely different from Patch 3 and combat has been more fun because of it.

Overall it seems like there are more checks in the game over whether advantage or disadvantage should be applied.

Hmm, I'd take your word for it then, as you've clearly been testing the limits of this system far longer than anyone else in these forums have, ha.

I'm curious to see if anything comes of this in the next patch.

Edit: I've chosen to do a thorough review of distributions for rolls shown in the UI as Low Ground, but get rolled at normal. And rolls shown as normal that the combat log rolls as high ground.

Here is the data for "UI lowground & Combat Log Normal":
I used the bugbear assassin and scorching ray to test.
UI for Scorching Ray, Gale's position relative to bugbear
Scorching Ray 1
Scorching Ray 2
Scorching Ray 3

I did use different sections of the bugbear, stomach, head, shoulders, etc. The UI and Combat Log were consistent in what they showed.
Here is the data after 156 scorching rays on the bugbear
Average: 7.8
Standard Deviation: 2.5
All frequencies were within two standard deviations.

The important takeaway is the shape of the histogram, it doesn't match what we would expect for disadvantage, it is a lot closer to what we would expect with normal attacks.

The surprises are how low 6, 7, 15, and 18 are but it would also make sense to weight the dice against four outcomes, to increase the change of 10 and 11. (Their frequencies were still within a normal distribution.)
***
Here is the review of attack rolls where "UI doesn't not show High Ground or any advantage, but the combat log has awarded advantage on the attack roll".
The frequency is in line with what we would expect to see with attacks rolled with advantage.
(This was done at the save file back at the Dank Crypt, N=42)

Worked for me, so i presume it was bug.

All sorts of four legged animals climbing ladders looks like a silly cartoon.

It's silly stuff like this that makes the game feel like a funny platform game rather than a credible RPG with a believable world.

I'm not saying an RPG needs to be all serious and realistic, but Larian have a bit too much of this silly nonsense in their DNA or they can't control it. The eating pigs heads in combat for a massive heal kind of stuff. Huge bears climbing ladders.


There are ways to be funny in the context of a realistic or even dark setting without breaking setting with silly cartoony stuff. Speaking of ladders..

Yeah it does look a bit dumb, but remember druids don’t lose their intelligence when they wild shape. They could navigate a ladder in beast form, albeit in most cases it would be slower than when a humanoid. Of course, some ladders are not going to take the weight of a polar bear!

On another note, since I haven’t had time to get into patch 4 yet... are we still able to change our prepared spells at any time that suits us? Or is it locked to long rests now like it should be?

We are.

First off, hello all, been a while. Glad to be back after a long break from EA, but I came back to play the new patch so here is what I've experienced so far.

Like to list off for one, Thank you, Larian! for listening to the group of us that said drow should have Keen Senses like all the other elf people. Equality for all elves!

I feel listened to, but I know I was not the only one asking for this to be added. Again thank you for listening!

Now for the druid, I actually am enjoying it some. It is still kind of buggy, but I like where you went with it. If you keep this up I am really going to enjoy all the classes once they are implemented to the game.

I like how more class dialogue and situational advantages for certain classes is now important to the game.

I like how you changed up some scenes, such as with the tiefling thieves ran by Mol and changed it up some story wise.

Really enjoy that the druid has advantages in the scene with talking down Kagha, which I already noted I just wanted to show how much I really do appreciate the effort of listening to the community about adding in more diversity for work arounds and creativity.

Also really enjoying that Speak with the Dead cutscene to add more depth to the game. Now its not quite as boring to talking to dead people.

I like the new spells added to the game, the quality of life changes really speed things up and don't bog down game play too much, and liking the over all effort you have put in so far into the game.

There are of course some things that got busted, which are to be expected in EA. Some cutscenes got either busted or lost, like the one with Shadowheart at the gate when you first talk with Zevlor. I'm still kind of at the start of it all, but really the things I found were mainly positive and very few negatives.

I got to say, I am looking forward to playing another wizard play through, but you made me want to play a druid, which I loved the idea of playing a druid and finally got the chance to really get a solid story with one and it not be totally cheesy. Thanks again for that!

I hope the rest of you, the community, enjoying the new changes as much as I am. The game really has come a long way from the start, and while more work I will concede, still needs to be done. If Larian keeps progressing in this direction I think we will all be enjoying the full game greatly!

I can confirm that so far as I have played I haven't gotten all the camp scenes as of yet. Didn't get the Gale mirror image scene at the very least. However, after Astarion feeds on you, you do get the scene with the camp the next day as it was intended. So kind of better, but it still needs work.

Dogs in the real world are intelligent enough to climb ladders. But physiologically, just like most animals, they just can't.

I haven't gotten to the tiefling party yet, but I've seen elsewhere that the romance scenes have been partially added back. I did notice that a couple of camp scenes didn't trigger when they were supposed to, one for Gale and one for Astarion, even though I've been resting often, so those issues obviously aren't fixed yet.

If they get it in their mind to do it, or a human teaches them, a dog can climb some kinds of ladders I think? I might have seen one do it when I was very young but I might be remembering wrong. Animals are capable of a lot, my cat was clever enough to open my door and turn on my computer so she could watch my fish screensaver.

Can anyone tell me if they fixed the Shadowheart cutscene bug? Would really like to see that scene.

The Devil's sight invocation is still not interacting properly with magical darkness. The "immunity from blindness" feature doesn't change the fact that darkness still acts as a barrier to ranged attacks for a Warlock with Devil's Sight, so you still cannot shoot through it with eldritch blast or any spell. This is not how the invocation is supposed to interact with the darkness spell or any magical darkness. It should essentially be as if there is nothing there for the warlock. A warlock with Devil's Sight should be able to stand in the center of their darkness and fire off eldritch blasts without having to jump out of the darkness every time they want to attack. I thank Larian Studios for attempting to rectify this problem with the most recent patch, but it needs another update.

Thanks! I was hoping that might be it.

The words he speaks are true, heed him Larian

Just to confirm what I wrote above, I got to Astarion's romance scene and the first and last bits are there, but the middle is part is under construction again. Gale's also has a very brief "under construction" scene in the middle (I'm not sure what's supposed to go there, it's so quick and the scene otherwise seems more or less complete).

Shadowheart's romance scene is back in.

I have used 10 lock picks on multiple chests and Astarion fails to open any chets at all (this worked previous to patch 4). Please look into the potential lock picking issue.

Thanks!

Also, if you attack a chest and break it open, the chest doesnt drop any loot. This has happened on multiple locked chests and was not an issue prior to patch 4.

Thank you! I had the same issue on my first session after Patch 4; closed the game, reloaded, and it was fixed -- although his rate of successful lockpicking is definitely lower than in my previous games.

On the other hand, Guidance seem to actualy work incredibly effective ...
So far i locked litteraly every lock at first atempt, when i used it.

The notes for Patch 4 contain the statement: "Added Cross Play through direct connect with Mac version"

To me "cross play" means players on multiple platforms can play the same game together, so what does this statement mean? Can my friend on Windows direct connect to my Mac and we can play together? Even if the build numbers are different?: 4.1.85.5707 (PC), 4.1.85.6028 (Mac) 

Thanks.

I've made a few critical comments about patch 4 but I also wanted to point out some improvements.

1. Books! The new books are good. We get a primmer on the weave, a treatise on soul coins and some more details on the waar between Gith and the mind flayers. Getting closer to the BG experience where you could get learn Forgotten Realms lore from libraries. (but Larian, make the books a bit longer please)

2. Ground triggers for conversations are near quick travel gates. Gives more frequent banters and the banters make more sense. Astarian is now talking about goblins in the goblin camp and not in the underdark.

3. New dialogues. I liked having a theology battle with Khorga. Ahh, but Silvanus also says . . . Nice job, priests of the same religion should try and settle disagreements by making references to their sacred texts.

* Not new but I like that Astarian now tells you details about his relationship with Cazador even if you've not had sex with him.

* Fixed the Koa Toa dialogues. My toon is now a god of the fish people. They've promised to stop spilling blood and only strangle people which was nice.

4. Shadow druid fight was much improved.

Raindancer not working for me at all. I tried giving it to 2 different characters and never get the spell. It used to work before the patch.

Wondering if anyone has gotten mods to work with patch 4?

I'm probably just being impatient and either need to wait for modders to update or just being a total salmon when it comes to modding

The Bard mod that I had installed during Patch 3 still works without a hitch, surprisingly enough. Although judging from the chatter on the mod page, it sounds like some people trying to install it during patch 4 were having problems. It's been reported that the Paladin mod still works too. I don't know about the status of the rest of the yet to be implemented class mods, but judging from the lack of chatter about them, they either broke or there isn't anywhere near as much interest for those classes for people to check.

Everything else appears to be a crapshoot from what I hear.

EDIT: https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/lu5kzk/list_of_mods_that_still_work_with_patch_4/

Nice thanks for letting me know!

I checked the thread out and all looks good havejng trouble with customiser legacy though! D:

Answering my own question. It works!

Direct connect allows MacOS and Windows cross play! Yay!

So, just in general, have you noticed an increase in the difficulty of the fights in Patch 4? Other than using a druid instead of a ranger, I have not changed much, but I'm getting wiped in places where my party used to stroll -- Whispering Depths, Auntie Ethel's lair and the Smart Ogre fights.

I can't even defeat ONE of Auntie's masks with a party of 4 + 3 pets. It's diabolical.

I’ve noticed two bugs while playing patch 4:

1) in the crypt below the chapel, the book of dead gods is bugged. Any time a character of mine makes a check to open the lock, it resolves the roll but then doesn’t proceed and the character is stuck in limbo.

2) the Druid can’t control moonbeam while wildshaped. There’s no option/ability to move the moonbeam while in wild shape.

Otherwise I’m very much enjoying patch 4, thanks for all of your hard work!

Shadow druid fight? - 5th playthrough & im still missing things....I love this game.
Graphics...improving all the time - im only a few hours into the latest patched version - new cutscenes dunno if they are specific to patch 4 or just ones ive still missed from the multitude of branching story lines....

Smart ogres I haven't noticed much change. Auntie Ethel fight is a tough one anyway but haven't done it in latest patch yet - lord only knows why Sven dragged all the masked NPC's into the end battle with Auntie in his recent youtube clip - that was always gonna end badly....
Wow - that sounds tough - the masked ones scrap can be hard too prior to the patch 4 - i take it you are level 4 party for that fight?

Have you tried the gnolls yet ? thats also a toughie unless you get the pack leader to join you ....

I noticed that Halsin and Nettie have much more dialogue and information to share about their tadpole investigations, that was great.

Here's my question...

Why were NONE of these points in the actual patch notes... when they spent note space scrabbling for things to say and talked about fixing goblins peeing three times?

Has that log in the camp crossing the stream into the ruined cabin always been there?

I am happy that I am getting a lot more banter this playthrough. Astarion's banter is pretty funny.

Agree!

Yeah, they've smoothed out the story regarding the Tadpole quite a bit. Halsin now gives you info on your condition and next steps far earlier (which is much better narratively IMO - makes that story beat feel much more natural, and you feel like you're being spun around less).