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I know they released Act 1, have they announced how many total acts there will be? How many did divinity 2 have? 4 I think?

Have they announced all the staring classes and races yet? what will be added at release? or do we not know that?

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i think they once said in a reddit AMA that 'every great story has a beginning, a middle, and an end' or something the like. this would mean there will be 3 acts.

regarding races/classes, i think they said that races and classes of the PHB will be in the game at final release.

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So nothing official, just guessing at this point?

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Well according to their Anwsers from Streams etc we get:

3 Acts of Gameplay Content, ATM we got an area thats roughly the first act. Underdark is second act, but we are missing out on some areas so its about the same.


Races: All PHB Options mean:

Human, Woodelf, Highelf, Drow, Halfelf. Hill Dwarf, Mountain Dwarf, Halfling, Tiefling.

Missing but will come according to this Statement: Dragonborn, Halforc, Gnome. (Dragonborn have Breathattacks, Halforcs are just utterly OP for Fighting, and Gnomes are resistant to magic)


Classes:

Fighter: Battlemaster, Eldritchknight- (Champion is still missing from Phb)
Ranger: (got a complete overhaul and is different from normal DnD, no comparision possible)
Druid: Circle of Land, Circle of the Moon (Complete)
Cleric: Life Domain, Light Domain, Trickery Domain. (Missing: Knowledge, Nature and Tempest Domain)
Wizard: Abjuration and Evocation are in. (Transmutation, Divination, Enchantment,Conjuration, Necromancy and Illusion are Missing)
Rouge: Thief and Arcane Trickster are in ( Assasin is still missing)
Warlock: Fiend and Great Old one are in. (Archfey is missing)

Barbarian: Berserker and Totem Warrior (All Missing)
Bard: College of Lore, College of War (All Missing)
Sorceror: Draconic Bloodline, Wildmagic (All Missing)
Paladin: Oath of the Ancients, Oath of Devotion (All Missing)
Monk: Way of the Open Hand, Way of the Elements, Way of the Shadow (All Missing)

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I really enjoyed my playtest. It's around 30 hours for the first act -- the game's probably about 90 hours long. That's pretty good considering I bought Jedi Fallen Order, and it was only 40 hours, same as Zelda Breath of the Wild.

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Originally Posted by GristlyKnuckle
I really enjoyed my playtest. It's around 30 hours for the first act -- the game's probably about 90 hours long. That's pretty good considering I bought Jedi Fallen Order, and it was only 40 hours, same as Zelda Breath of the Wild.

I have read here that the part we have to play is act 1 A and that the tower you are traveling to is Act 1 B. Then Baldur’s Gate would be Act 2 and I would presume at least a part of Act 3 would return to Avernus. I think it is safe to bet that your first playthrough of the game will exceed 90 hours. My first playthrough of DOS2 was 110 hours, and Larian has indicated this game is bigger.

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If they complete that Race/Class list from the Players Handbook I would be pretty happy. But I fear the game coming out of EA with significant stuff missing, and the amount of time it took to get the druid makes me worry for the Paladins and Monks and such. It was floated elsewhere that the reaction heavy classes might be retooled but that's still speculative, since the system doesn't exist really in this game. Only two types of specialist wizard is rough too. BG1 managed to include all 8 with different colored unarmored robes based on the selected school. I miss that

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Its unfair to compare EA of BG3 with the final BG1 ( I think there was no early access at that time).

It looks like we get all PHB stuff plus underdark races (drow, deep gnome, duergar) and gith.


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Originally Posted by Holokom
Well according to their Anwsers from Streams etc we get:

3 Acts of Gameplay Content, ATM we got an area thats roughly the first act. Underdark is second act, but we are missing out on some areas so its about the same.


Races: All PHB Options mean:

Human, Woodelf, Highelf, Drow, Halfelf. Hill Dwarf, Mountain Dwarf, Halfling, Tiefling.

Missing but will come according to this Statement: Dragonborn, Halforc, Gnome. (Dragonborn have Breathattacks, Halforcs are just utterly OP for Fighting, and Gnomes are resistant to magic)


Classes:

Fighter: Battlemaster, Eldritchknight- (Champion is still missing from Phb)
Ranger: (got a complete overhaul and is different from normal DnD, no comparision possible)
Druid: Circle of Land, Circle of the Moon (Complete)
Cleric: Life Domain, Light Domain, Trickery Domain. (Missing: Knowledge, Nature and Tempest Domain)
Wizard: Abjuration and Evocation are in. (Transmutation, Divination, Enchantment,Conjuration, Necromancy and Illusion are Missing)
Rouge: Thief and Arcane Trickster are in ( Assasin is still missing)
Warlock: Fiend and Great Old one are in. (Archfey is missing)

Barbarian: Berserker and Totem Warrior (All Missing)
Bard: College of Lore, College of War (All Missing)
Sorceror: Draconic Bloodline, Wildmagic (All Missing)
Paladin: Oath of the Ancients, Oath of Devotion (All Missing)
Monk: Way of the Open Hand, Way of the Elements, Way of the Shadow (All Missing)

Awesome answer, thanks for this info

what is the likelihood of expansions and DLCS etc?

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Probably nothing Major, maybe some free Extra Gear Pieces or a couple Spells, but no Big Plot Line or Level cap over 13.

(Was the same with Divinity etc.)

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Originally Posted by Black_Elk
But I fear the game coming out of EA with significant stuff missing, and the amount of time it took to get the druid makes me worry for the Paladins and Monks and such.


the thing is, we don't know for how long the druid was ready though. I might have been ready for weeks or even longer, and the other things they added with patch 4 haven't. I actually expect them to have the framework for most classes and races more or less done. Nobody said they would release all content as soon as its ready, in fact it would make sense that they only release some classes and races with the final release of the game, so that players who have played EA get some new stuff as well (aside from the other acts, obviously).

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Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch

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In my opinion Wotr classes lack depth. I would consider the mythic paths to be more like classes that actually mean something. The actual "classes" are very much quantity over quality.

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Well Pathfinder is Pathfinder and not DnD.

Of curse Pathfinder includes a lot more options. Not even mentioning around 200 Options for Feats?
Some people like the extra complexity, but DnD has its own advantages. (Exspcially for non Combat Solutions)
(At least thats my opinion, since i played DnD 5, Pathfinder 1 and 2....Pathfinder has a way more complex Characterbuilder, but also depends on Combat for Gameplay... for DnD a Mystery is way easier to pull off for example, because you got a lot more options in that design category.)

But now: Back to Topic:

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Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch

And this is too much and this is why sometimes Ii hate Pathfinder. They complicate everything, they make everything too complicated that you need to sit and delve into the information for hours. It's okay if there are not too much classes, as long as they are interesting and well-developed.


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Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch

That's a sequel, most of that crap is carried over from kingmaker.

Try comparing kingmaker to this one.

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Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch

Expressing your concerns and disappointment with this game is a perfectly reasonable and appropriate use of this forum. You have every right to do that.

Going in to every thread, including threads that exist solely to request clarification or information, to bitch about the game is being a nuisance. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Holokom
Well Pathfinder is Pathfinder and not DnD.

Of curse Pathfinder includes a lot more options. Not even mentioning around 200 Options for Feats?
Some people like the extra complexity, but DnD has its own advantages. (Exspcially for non Combat Solutions)
(At least thats my opinion, since i played DnD 5, Pathfinder 1 and 2....Pathfinder has a way more complex Characterbuilder, but also depends on Combat for Gameplay... for DnD a Mystery is way easier to pull off for example, because you got a lot more options in that design category.)

But now: Back to Topic:
I don't think his point is to compare the systems directly, but to compare how close they are to implementing the source matherial compared to BG3.
BG3 at this point is missing many classes, reaces, most of the subclasses and feats of the PHB whereas WotR has implemented most, and both are in early access (WotR with 2 yrs development vs 4 yrs for BG3). What is implemented in BG3 does not work as in the books as well.
So I think is a fair comparison.

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Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch


I had a chance now to actually play it..... holy shit this game is so much ahead of bg3 content and gameplay wise....

But to its Defence.... visuals and sound in bg3 is unmatched realy.
And I think that the main reason you can’t compare them even if both have their roots in DnD rules.

Making such stunning visuals and Voiceover you simply can’t have a comparable content. Even if 5e wasn’t a simplified ruleset there would be no way to implement that number of features and still making such awesome visuals. As a developer you have to make a choice between visuals and content focus. And by now we know that their target audience where never BG1 +2 fans.

So going this route makes sense because it gives them a totaly different target audience and they don’t have to compete with this monster of game that wrath of righteous is.

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Originally Posted by mr_planescapist
Real disappointing having so few classes/racesin BG3...But hey, tons of cinematic dialogues thats what counts right?
Pathfinder Wrath of the Rightheous in EA right now has an amazing amount of class content with still more to come, includes:

Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Grenadier, Vivisectionist
Arcanist:
Barbarian: Armored Hulk, Invulnerable Rager, Mad Dog
Bard: Archaeologist, Dirge Bard, Flame Dancer, Thundercaller
Bloodrager:
Cavalier: Beast Rider, Disciple of the Pike, Gendarme, Knight of the Wall, Standard Bearer,
Cleric: Crusader, Ecclesitheurge, Herald Caller,
Druid: Blight Druid, Defender of the True World, Feyspeaker
Fighter: Aldori Defender, Armiger, Dragonheir Scion, Mutation Warrior, Tower Shield Specialist, Two-Handed Fighter
Inquisitor: Monster Tactician, Sacred Huntsmaster, Tactical Leader
Kineticist: Dark Elementalist, Kinetic Knight, Overwhelming Soul, Psychokineticist
Magus: Eldritch Archer, Eldritch Scion, Sword Saint
Monk: Scaled Fist, Sensei, Sohei, Traditional Monk, Zen Archer
Oracle:
Paladin: Divine Guardian, Divine Hunter, Hospitaler, Martyr, Warrior of Holy Light
Ranger: Flame Warden, Freebooter, Stormwalker
Rogue: Eldritch Scoundrel, Knife Master, Thug
Shaman: Possessed, Spirit Hunter, Spirit Warden, Unsworn Shaman, Witch Doctor
Skald: Battle Scion, Court Poet, Demon Dancer, Herald of the Horn, Hunt Caller
Slayer: Arcane Enforcer, Deliverer, Spawn Slayer, Vanguard
Sorcerer: Empyreal Sorcerer, Sage Sorcerer, Sylvan Sorcerer
Warpriest: Champion of the Faith, Cult Leader, Disenchanter, Feral Champion, Shieldbearer
Witch: Hagbound, Hex Channeler, Ley Line Guardian, Stigmatized Witch, Winter Witch
Wizard: Arcane Bomber, Exploiter Wizard, Scroll Savant, Thassilonian Specialist

Prestige Classes:

Aldori Swordlord
Arcane Trickster
Assassin
Dragon Disciple
Duelist
Eldritch Knight
Hellknight
Mystic Theurge
Stalwart Defender
Student of War
Winter Witch

Mate, Pathfinder is an entirely different system. You're comparing a massive banquet to a gourmet cheeseburger. Both are good, and high-quality, but also entirely different things. There just flat-out aren't that many classes in 5e compared to Pathfinder. This gripe isn't with the game, it's with 5e, and I suggest that you put your criticisms of that system in the areas where they are most relevant.


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