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@ Kryldost. Yep. You're just trying to tick people off. Everyone just ignore him.

@mrfuji. Exactly. You were on the money.

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Originally Posted by GM4Him
Even when they rolled out the Druid class they never addressed issues important to the players...THEIR CUSTOMERS.
I am player ...
I am their customer ...

And they did addressed, and even adjusted (or fixed if you wish) several issues important to me. O_o

See that is main reason here ...
Unless they start to fix their problems, some people just keep repeating "they do nothing". frown


Lets look at it from the other site try to imagine a dinner for example ...
There is several millions of customers, only hunderts of employees, and so it works like that, they serve the "usual meal" ... and now lets say that thousands (plural) ordered something a little different, some are alergic to something, some dont like taste of something, some would like that taste but something is missing there ... so they start "suggesting" adjustments ...
Got it? Good. smile
Now imagine that that thousands of sustomers start to shout one abowe the other, that THEIR ORDER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AROUND HERE, bcs they have the feeling that they want something that is quite common, since all their friends is ordering the same adjustment.
Or that THIS STAFF IS COMPLETELY USELESS SINCE I WAIT FOR MY ORDER TOO LONG ALLREADY!
Or that IS THIS DINNER EVEN WORKING?
And the other stuff you can read around here.

Doesnt that feel a little ungreatfull? :-/
And tell me honestly, if you would be employed in such dinner ... would you serve such guest? Honestly?

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I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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"Hey I have this issue"

"Give them time and stop complaining!"

*8 months later*

"Hey I still have this issue that you haven't acknowledged, 8 months later"

"Stop complaining! Gosh no wonder they don't acknowledge you you're so TOXIC"

That's some top level mental gymnastics.

This place is a damn monk convent in terms of respect shown towards Larian. Even those of us with no confidence in the game direction readily acknowledge that plenty of people are fine with the current direction. We just want our concerns heard and acknowledged and to not be tone-policed by trolls when we show the slightest bit of passion on a subject.

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I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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Seriously, again, the issue is silence. It isn't so much that they haven't done MY personal updates. I work in the business world. If I don't tell my customer what is happening with an investment they have made, the customer has a right to be mad.

I'm all for patience, but I am also for Larian to communicate with THEIR fans. If they don't they will lose them. They are CERTAINLY not making a good impression on me. I am a fan of BG and D&D, not Larian, and their lack of communication makes me NOT want to buy any more of their games or participate in any other EAs. It's been just that bad.

All I get out here when I post any suggestions is a lot of criticism and no response from Larian, so why participate? I am seriously starting to hate thr game I've loved for months because of dealing with THIS crap with NOTHING to show for it. Not even a "hey, we're working on xyz. Hang in there."

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Originally Posted by qwerrecd42
"Hey I have this issue"

"Give them time and stop complaining!"

*8 months later*

"Hey I still have this issue that you haven't acknowledged, 8 months later"

"Stop complaining! Gosh no wonder they don't acknowledge you you're so TOXIC"

That's some top level mental gymnastics.

This place is a damn monk convent in terms of respect shown towards Larian. Even those of us with no confidence in the game direction readily acknowledge that plenty of people are fine with the current direction. We just want our concerns heard and acknowledged and to not be tone-policed by trolls when we show the slightest bit of passion on a subject.

But why would you engage with good faith criticism when you can instead link someone else's passive aggressive video full of complaints about... people they disagree with having complaints...?

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Its mainly communication. For example the part of the video where people ranted about loaded dice and they claimed half the community felt listened to and the other half did not, that would have been solved if during the panel they talked about some of the issues raised. Just talking about it would be great, it would alleviate most the toxicity people perceive on this forum. I wouldn't mind all that much if there was no update til next year if Larian communicated during that process. Also knowing their rational would be great for that, so we can approach mechanics and story with keeping that rational in mind, to see if it actually works.

Basically, while they are not contractually obligated or anything close to that, I vehemently believe communication would be the most productive thing they could do for this EA.

Also tbh, this forum is not all that toxic. When people are being toxic a moderator or someone else steps in pretty quickly. There is a lot of complaining, but most of it is genuinely in constructive ways, pointing out an issue and proposing solutions, and then people discussing the ramifications of said issue. In fact, telling people to stop complaining about x seems counterproductive to me cause we were told to do exactly this, communicate to larian our issues with the game. And with that, you still get a healthy amount of lore speculation and even people saying they like things or saying that x mechanic is fine the way it is. There is a variety of viewpoints, and toxicity is often drowned out.

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Originally Posted by InkTide
Originally Posted by qwerrecd42
"Hey I have this issue"

"Give them time and stop complaining!"

*8 months later*

"Hey I still have this issue that you haven't acknowledged, 8 months later"

"Stop complaining! Gosh no wonder they don't acknowledge you you're so TOXIC"

That's some top level mental gymnastics.

This place is a damn monk convent in terms of respect shown towards Larian. Even those of us with no confidence in the game direction readily acknowledge that plenty of people are fine with the current direction. We just want our concerns heard and acknowledged and to not be tone-policed by trolls when we show the slightest bit of passion on a subject.

But why would you engage with good faith criticism when you can instead link someone else's passive aggressive video full of complaints about... people they disagree with having complaints...?

You would do this if your goal is not constructive discussion, but instead to troll and brow-beat. The "ignore user" function works well for dealing with that.

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That's it. You all asked for it.

SOLASTA SOLASTA SOLASTA.

And now, to quote Blackhiefer from another thread:

If you say that in front of a mirror a pimply, overweight nerd appears behind you and starts lecturing you in a high-pitched, nasally voice on how Solasta does reactions better. Roll CON save DC 14 against your own spinal cord strangling your brain to death.

They then casually pass gas and wander out the door. Take 4d10 Necrotic.

Thats what all of you get for complaining about complaining. You made me pull out the Solasta gun.

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Originally Posted by CJMPinger
There is a lot of complaining, but most of it is genuinely in constructive ways, pointing out an issue and proposing solutions, and then people discussing the ramifications of said issue. In fact, telling people to stop complaining about x seems counterproductive to me cause we were told to do exactly this, communicate to larian our issues with the game. And with that, you still get a healthy amount of lore speculation and even people saying they like things or saying that x mechanic is fine the way it is.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel - dismissing complaints for the sole reason that they are 'too negative/common/etc.' is an extremely toxic behavior that goes unmoderated far too often in games discussion IMO, probably in large part due to it being a little more difficult as a developer to tell whether or not someone is white knighting or just passionately positive (hint: genuinely passionately positive players don't normally dismiss people for complaining; they understand that even those less satisfied than they are want the same thing, which is a better end product - they just disagree on how close to that better end product things are already).

The instances of people complaining who are 'just trying to be negative' are few and far between, and orders of magnitude less common than good faith, constructive negative feedback being summarily dismissed as 'just trying to be negative'. I think people need to be more forgiving of negative feedback and a lot more suspicious of people crying 'troll' or 'stupid' whenever somebody expresses a doubt about their darling game/studio/etc.

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Ya, I think it's mostly been constructive criticism, which Larian originally asked for before falling off the face of the planet. And then people got annoyed that they were trying to contribute to improving the game, but got another 4 months of radio silence without a sign that any feedback is heard, and now are being criticized for not liking that lol.

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Exactly. We all obviously care about the game or we wouldn't STILL be out here talking about it.

But that isn't going to last forever. Many have already stopped chatting out here, tired of having the SAME convos over and over again and getting harassed by jerks.

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Originally Posted by GM4Him
That's it. You all asked for it.

SOLASTA SOLASTA SOLASTA.

And now, to quote Blackhiefer from another thread:

If you say that in front of a mirror a pimply, overweight nerd appears behind you and starts lecturing you in a high-pitched, nasally voice on how Solasta does reactions better. Roll CON save DC 14 against your own spinal cord strangling your brain to death.

They then casually pass gas and wander out the door. Take 4d10 Necrotic.

Thats what all of you get for complaining about complaining. You made me pull out the Solasta gun.

Oh right! I completely forgot to ask why you guys are still here, after all S*****a release! Don't you have to spend all day playing it and forget about BG3? This summer I planned to play Pathfinder to distract myself from BG3, but they postponed release to the fall, and I'm not really interested in S*****a. But you all guys? You have something to do now, don't you? Not that your accusations are without reason, but it's better to play than to waste your nerves. o..o

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Ya, I think it's mostly been constructive criticism, which Larian originally asked for before falling off the face of the planet. And then people got annoyed that they were trying to contribute to improving the game, but got another 4 months of radio silence without a sign that any feedback is heard, and now are being criticized for not liking that lol.

There is a limit to any criticism, you repeat the same thing, it makes no sense. We discussed the same thing a month ago.

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Originally Posted by Nyloth
There is a limit to any criticism, you repeat the same thing, it makes no sense. We discussed the same thing a month ago.
This ... and the form. :-/

There are people around here ... i could name, but probably i should not ... who can form their "criticism" into logical sentences with arguments and reasons ...
That could be called feedback. > Wich, as you still reminding us is what Larian asked us to provide.

And then there are people ... i could name again, but i definietly should not ... who seem to be unable to form their "ciriticism" into anything more complex than "we didnt hear anything for *XY* weeks now, THIS SUCKS" or "we demand more sexy..." gosh i start to miss that topics. :-/

How is that helping? O_o
What "cruicial information" you try to send? Do you honestly believe that noone in Larian have calendar, so you need to tell them? O_o Or what is the point?
I mean i get it, you are frustrated ... you want to let others know, since everyone certainly care about your feelings, that is common knowledge in this world ... but tell me please, anyone ... how does that work for you? What did you achieve so far?


I liked original spellcasting system more ... frown

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Originally Posted by Kryldost
You know what guys? What's being said lately made me realize something. Larian... Yeah Larian! YOU Larian! You should have waited until game was fully developped! Look at all these people with their crazy complaints, look at all the disapointment from people who played so much they burnt themselves out! Shame on you Larian, SHAME! Shame on giving us the sweet taste of a continuation of Baldur's gate! SHAME! Boo will rip your eyes out for this!

In all seriousness though, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. They were generous enough to grant early access, they listened to us when we found issues. They added content to let us know, its still going on. You're all so fucking impatient, go play something else instead of waiting on a game to be finished that isn't even finished yet. Finish your fully released game that's collecting dusts in your steam library, in your closet, in your trunks. I bet yall haven't even finished your nintendo and comodore games! Shame on you!
Wow, your posts have been a smashing hit after the other in the last few days.
I can't even tell if this is supposed to be a parody account or what.


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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
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The stupidest and most disingenuous video he made so far, incidentally.

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Originally Posted by Tuco
Wow, your posts have been a smashing hit after the other in the last few days.
I can't even tell if this is supposed to be a parody account or what.

Not all my posts made people angry, I get angry too sometimes though. I express it wrongly and some people get so angry about it they never forget me :V

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Originally Posted by Nyloth
There is a limit to any criticism, you repeat the same thing, it makes no sense. We discussed the same thing a month ago.
This ... and the form. :-/

There are people around here ... i could name, but probably i should not ... who can form their "criticism" into logical sentences with arguments and reasons ...
That could be called feedback. > Wich, as you still reminding us is what Larian asked us to provide.

And then there are people ... i could name again, but i definietly should not ... who seem to be unable to form their "ciriticism" into anything more complex than "we didnt hear anything for *XY* weeks now, THIS SUCKS" or "we demand more sexy..." gosh i start to miss that topics. :-/

How is that helping? O_o
What "cruicial information" you try to send? Do you honestly believe that noone in Larian have calendar, so you need to tell them? O_o Or what is the point?
I mean i get it, you are frustrated ... you want to let others know, since everyone certainly care about your feelings, that is common knowledge in this world ... but tell me please, anyone ... how does that work for you? What did you achieve so far?

Absolutely agree, complaining over an issue over and over again won't get you anywhere, it's like... Trying to get out of quicksand by flailing around. You're only gonna keep going deeper into your feelings and you wont be able to be constructive anymore.

Bringing in other new ideas in order to keep it constructive? Now that would be nice.

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As one who practically never comments but pays attention.... OK, I skim the noise... The utter lack of any communication should be embarrassing. /"rant"

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Repeating complaints about players complaining is probably not more constructive than repeating complaints about the game...

At least players talking about the game may have more in games hours, their opinion may have change, they may have think about or see something new,...

Talking about the game VS talking about players.

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So is there *any* indication at all about what to expect from patch 5? I'm waiting on Paladin to give this whole thing another shot.

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