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Aradin can be forgiven for this. He has PTSD after losing his group of adventurers. They could have “form[ed] a line”… but alas the goblins they stumbled upon reduced their numbers.

You are all so right.

Yeah, this. Wyll is a real name and Gale totally feels like it could be a real name (but maybe I'm biased coming from a culture where names like Wolf, Bear, Eagle, Path and Stone -- or in my own case Staff -- are common), they are just fine. Shadowheart is the only one who feels too much to me. The worst part is that the writers don't seem to realise just how too much it is judging from the dialogue options we get about it. I want the option to straight out burst into laughter when she introduces herself and mock her.

Admittedly, exceptions aside, anyone TRYING to engage in clandestine activity among most Neutral and all Good-aligned folk is foolish to outright state their name as "Shadowheart" to everyone within earshot, but as an otherwise standard fantasy bad-guy name? Nah...this is a classic trope.

FYI, Gale is unisex name - just like Lindsay, Ashley, Billy/Billie, Jesse/Jessie, Riley, Bobby/Bobbi etc.

Depending on location and time period, the popularity of the name's used for the different genders tend to flip flop.

Technically, you only need two people (points) to form a line. But in context, I agree with you.

I agree. I mean, I don't know if he has PTSD, but I agree that he's used to giving orders to more people and it's apparent that they've taken casualties.

That said...

The people on the bridge is there regardless of whether the three leave the grove or stay. They're either supposed to be unrelated people or that's where the original ambush took place.

Hmm, okay. I can accept that. In my games, they almost always leave the grove, so I rarely get a chance to see the scene otherwise.

While i agree ...

We should also concider that they were under attack, so Aradin probably shouted first order he gave every time, without thinking about proper wording behind it ... so, personaly im fine with that honestly.

//Edit:
Also ...
- Hold positions is completely different order, that would mean nobody should move instead of meele people forward and ranged people stay on place.
- Tight formation is also something different, since he obviously wanted to "form a line" that would keep archer safe ... therefore, logicaly, archer should keep her distance from them and therefore should not be in tight formation ... and its easier to yell "form a line" than "you come forward with me, you stay behind us".
- [archername], stay behind us ... that would work, but you gave no order for your meele companion you need to move forward ... also its aproximately twice as long as "form a line" (count the syllables, not the letters)

So ... basicaly he gave the best order he could ...
May seem little ridiculous since he dont have enough man to preform it effectively, that much is true ... but hey give him a break, he tryed his best.

I though "Gale" was a use-name as wizards like to conceal their true-names to be safe.

Possibly a nickname from someone else who thought the young wizard was a bit of a windbag. Possiblr self-referenced in the "there's a gust of weave about you..." line

That's some top-shelf snark right there. Well done!

That's more or less what my take's been. They got routed at the goblin camp, and then followed as they fled. The bodies by the bridge are the comrades who they lost in a skirmish as part of their retreat to the grove. When we encounter Aradin there, it's his party's first opportunity to visit their dead.

Gale uses the words tempest, breeze, storm, etc all the time. It is a bit heavy handed. But I honestly think it is all basically a shoutout to Dorothy Gale from the Wizard of Oz.

If he gets ruby slippers at some point, I won’t be surprised.

Depending on your choices, Aradin and his crew will actually be at that bridge examining the dead. You can have a chat with him about it. So yeah, definitely where his crew had their final fight.

I guess what's weird about that scene to me is that they usually leave the grove immediately in my games. Which means I spend a lot of time in the grove, and then I do the Harper area, and then I go into the caves to deal with the goblins and statues, and then I learn about the true souls, and then I eventually get around to crossing the bridge...

...at which point I see Aradin and his crew again. This time Aradin is kneeling by these dead bodies, and I'm thinking they must be fresh bodies, not rotting corpses, you know? Because it's been so long. I figured Aradin would've had a chance to pay his respect, bury them if need be, and be on his way if these deaths weren't recent.

So I just kind of assumed that the fight had just played out right before I got there.

I can see that I'm wrong now that you've pointed it out, but to me that means the timing feels off. I'm not sure it's a big enough problem for me to complain about, though.

More like:
Operation: Shadowsteal
Team Leader: Shadowhead
Team Medic: Shadowheart
Team Sniper: Shadoweye
Team Muscle: Shadowhand
Team Hacker: Shadowbrain

Meh seriously after the PTSD, here is another theory to explain something that does not make any sense.

Once again like in many threads, when the story of BG3 lack of coherence people are crafting theory in their head to explain what is not possible to explain.

When people have to imagine things in their head for such details... There's really something going wrong.

What details?
I was just comenting your own suggestions for "better comands" from wich actualy none make any sence. :P

You mean "all those deep details" that he obviously didnt think much about exact grammar logic in his comand, when he had drolling bloodthirsty goblins litteraly few metters behind his ass? O_o
Yeah ... sooooo many detail i had to create myself.

And also yes, those litteraly 3 words (Form a Line) was indeed "the story of BG3 lacking of coherence" ... -_-

It makes perfect sense that he's used to giving orders to more people. This isn't bending over backwards mental gymnastics.

If anything, I feel like people are bending over backwards trying to find reasons to hate.