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Was looking around the Nexus to see what's new and to my surprise Patch 9 apparently contains fully detailed and modeled female genitals which are not yet implemented into the game. They are also not a part of the main body model, but rather a separate model. There is also a leaf that covers the genital area as well.

Considering BG3 is already an 18+ rated game that doesn't shy away from nudity, has full freedom of character customization regardless of sex and with the recent inclusion of pronouns, this could mean that;

  • The romance scenes might be even more graphically pleasing than led to believe
  • There might actually be coming full body customization that includes even genitals, similarly to what Cyberpunk has, since it is a separate model
  • There might be possible nymphs/dryads somewhere in the game with happy endings
  • There might also be coming a "No Nudity" option in the settings

Either way it's quite a curious discovery and surprise, as very rarely prominent games/developers embrace full nudity. Personally I find that to be great news as it means more realism being added into the game, or at least I hope it does, because the last game that I remember not shying away from nudity was Diablo II back in the day and Cyberpunk recently. And it makes me wonder what more is there to come for full release.

Naturally I won't post any links here and urge others not to either, but you can find the showcases on the Nexus and other social media.

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rofl.

Imagine if the gameplay was the actual focus instead of this absolutely cringe use of resources.

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From the beginning they showed a mocap video and in one of the shots, you could see a diagram of different sexual positions the actors were going to perform. Needless to say they could make a Succubus blush…
I am sure there is an old thread with screenshots on here somewhere…

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Originally Posted by Scribe
rofl.

Imagine if the gameplay was the actual focus instead of this absolutely cringe use of resources.
Should I deduce that you don't like the Mass Effect and the Witcher series?

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I'm personally not a fan of fully nude sex scenes. I've yet to see character models that don't absolutely deep dive into the abyss of the uncanny valley once the clothes come off. It really breaks immersion for me.

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rofl.

Imagine if the gameplay was the actual focus instead of this absolutely cringe use of resources.
Should I deduce that you don't like the Mass Effect and the Witcher series?

You could deduce that this 'Early Access' continues to reflect a product that could use resources which have seemingly been directed at area's that are better left to real life in a bedroom.

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That nude models exist doesn't necessary need to indicate anything. During Deadfire's patched one of the sidekicks was graced with fully finished, nude model. The guy responsible for modeling explained that they always start with nude model and then create clothes on top - they just copied a wrong file by accident.

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I'd laugh so hard if they just went full hardcore with penetration shots and a movable camera to view the entire scene. It was meaningless/a waste of resources in Cyberpunk 2077 and it'll be the same here. Please work on the non sex animations before trying to make sex scenes Larian.

Also, I hope I have a choice to have underwear and not that ridiculous leaf, but it's Larian, so who knows.

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Well, it's a role-playing game. It sounds logical for me to include sex scenes as consequences of a person's decisions. I can agree that these scenes are hard to get right because of the animations (especially facial animations), which can look cringy in comparison with animations in normal dialogs. But cmon, why do people think that it requires a lot of resources? There are probably not a lot of them in comparison with all other animations. And having body customization in a role-playing game sounds nice. The problem with Cyberpunk 2077 was that developers used maturity as one of the selling points, which was lackluster in the end. I do not think not having customization and scenes in Cyberpunk would make any difference.

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As long as we are doing this... it would be nice if they would put an "ACE" tag in character creation. That's not my lifestyle irl, but I'd pick the tag if it could guarantee that I don't accidentally see uncanny valley cringefest video game sex.

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I'd prefer they don't do that. If I wanted to play a porno game I'd buy a porno game. It just never feels like a natural thing. It feels like some developer is an exhibitionist and wants to showcase their favorite sexual activities to the world.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
That nude models exist doesn't necessary need to indicate anything. During Deadfire's patched one of the sidekicks was graced with fully finished, nude model. The guy responsible for modeling explained that they always start with nude model and then create clothes on top - they just copied a wrong file by accident.

It is true that model creation always start with Ken/Barbie type of a body model, and in rare ocassions sometimes even a fully detailed nude body model. Beyond Two Souls for example had a fully textured nude model of Ellen Page's character Jodie, despite the game not having nudity whatsoever. However in this case it's a fully detailed female genitalia 3D model that snaps onto the bulge area of the main body model.

Which is why it caught my attention, because I work with 3D models all the time and normally you do not do that. So from a gameplay perspective it seems to be made intentionally modular and replacable, especially since there are files for males too named "censored"/"uncensored"/"slightly censored" and such, it makes me believe that there will truly be genital customization because there is no denying that BG3 is an inclusive game.

It supports pronouns and supports fully free character customization for transexual main characters. Because of this they cannot just use full body models, but have to make the genitals modular so transexual minorities can roleplay properly if genitalia are included. And since it is an 18+ rated game, the addition of genitals would further drive inclusivity by being able to choose;

  • Male/Female body
  • Male/Female pronouns
  • Male/Female genitals


I just don't see someone making a mistake of creating or even copying a vagina, a leaf meant to cover genitals and male genital files as well. So I believe they are going for more realism and making sure everyone can create a character that fits their roleplaying vision.

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I’m also all for tasteful fades to black when it comes to the sex scenes. The animations would need to be near perfect for them to be sexy rather than silly and I can’t see that being the case, particularly given different possible body models. Plus how a character, or pair of characters, would have sex is deeply individual and so any representation that Larian give of that is highly unlikely to feel authentic. I’d much prefer they focus on quality non-sexual interaction and relationship building and leave the actual bonking to my imagination.

But yes, if explicit sex scenes are included I’d like the option to turn them off in the event they’re as cringeworthy as I expect.


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There very likely will be "No Nudity" option, as there is a leaf model too that covers the bulge area of bodies. Plus games almost always have such an option available.

In the Witcher 3 for example, Yennefer will be fully in a towel in the opening scene of the game rather than fully nude if the player chooses No Nudity option.

And Cyberpunk for example has genital customization, but you practically never get to see it other than in the inventory menu and very rarely during sex scenes. It's a "don't blink or you'll miss it" type of thing. But it adds more realism to be able to see it, even if it's for a split second, which I'm totally alright with. And naturally there's an option to just have underwear instead of genitalia.

So I have no doubt they'll have rich options to choose from for everyone. With genitalia, with underwear, no nudity and so on.

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The idea that its more important we get the money shot, than they spend time on the actual game, is just soo on brand for this game's development...

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Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
I’m also all for tasteful fades to black when it comes to the sex scenes. The animations would need to be near perfect for them to be sexy rather than silly and I can’t see that being the case, particularly given different possible body models. Plus how a character, or pair of characters, would have sex is deeply individual and so any representation that Larian give of that is highly unlikely to feel authentic. I’d much prefer they focus on quality non-sexual interaction and relationship building and leave the actual bonking to my imagination.

But yes, if explicit sex scenes are included I’d like the option to turn them off in the event they’re as cringeworthy as I expect.

Pretty much how I see it as well.
No hate or shame from me toward those who want it, of course. Everyone has different level of comfort and want when it comes to this type of stuff.

If it's Dragon Age type of romance scene, I'll be fine (the games, I haven't watched the animated show). But if it's going too much in the direction of Cyberpunk's (so, actually explicit from what I've heard and the little I've seen), meeeh...not for me.


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Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
Plus how a character, or pair of characters, would have sex is deeply individual and so any representation that Larian give of that is highly unlikely to feel authentic.
Is not negligible, in my opinion. It's really something I would like to literally leave to my own imagination 🥰

I'm glad to see that nudity will likely be an option based on what's been shown by Chubblot, but I would also like a "tasteful fade to black" or a "tune it down a bit" option 😅 The leaf 🌿 covering the genitals is iconic, btw. I seriously love it 😂


Sidenote : my Tav standing proudly and fully naked after the night with Astarion feels weird as well, but mostly because I keep thinking "Aren't you cold, hells", "couldn't be me standing naked like that, arms dangling on my sides" and so it feels unnatural to me.

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I doubt they are doing this so they can have highly detailed animations of penetration.
And honestly its just a little bit of modelling and texturing a single 3d artist probably banged this one out in a day at most.

And it will be funny as hell to see the character run around as naked as they day they were born, maybe NPCs can comment on it.

"Like... ok wow... so anyway..."

That would be more labour intensive to add or we can just headcanon they are very accepting in the world of faerun.

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Wobbly bits.


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Originally Posted by avahZ Darkwood

That's all just marketing, it's going to end up being very mild. Lots of hands gripping each other, stomachs being touched, moving the furniture stuff at most. I'd be shocked if we actually see genitals being sexually touched.

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