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Romance existed in the since the dawn of BG1, and the cringe some of you talk of been part of these games for as long as they existed, be it in the story, writing, or even pixely bar wenches that "cringely" wiggly their tushies... iwe been watvhing Cohhcarnage replay BG1 and BG2, and while it was simpler back then, as the grafics evolve it will evolve across the board... The bar wench or courtesan will still be in the games, and why you ask, well its part of the make belief, the story, any book, and movie have abit of romance in it...

And Larian sets a stage, then its up to you or me, wha we do with that stage, ifyou dont like romance, then dont do it, if you like me, dont like evil, then dont persue the darker paths... take game of thrones, it has all sides of a world, it has the gore, and it has the nudity, it has villians and heroes, romance just like any alive universe or world, just like a game should be, its a story a ficional non real imagination... do you think people watch these shows to get entertained or for some porn experience ?...

So my question to you, so you have issues with romance, id say alot more people have issues with other social issues of life, but that is life, and any good story need elements of everything, it needs villians, it needs heros, it needs the dark and shady, and it needs heroism and it needs Romance, why ?, couse its life...

If i wanted to a shooter game, id go play that, when i play a Larian game, i want a world to emerse myself into, and to my knowledge that includes romance... so my tip to you, when you get asked to share a bottle, an your not into that kind of things, its kinda obvious where the story is taking you, dont like that, well, dont do it... your story, your choise !

PS lean back and go back the years, and remember those boob armours, or female armours that more or less were less covering then my minimal summer bikinis... so, yea, there was a time when you had to wear those things, i thought those were cringe, couse to me they were not a armour, but more a cringely aspect that more or less made no sense... it was even more hillarious, that the same plate +3, had diffrent look if it were a female or male that wore it ;P... it was kinda anoying, but hey people cosplay, people dress up, i prefer a real looking armour, but that dosent make me want to remove "romance"... these things has allways existed in this genere, as it has in any movie or book...

I love how some of you keep saying "romance" but the complaint is about the sex not romance. Yes I know sex CAN be a part of romance. But the argument I have is that this is a continuation of a non-sexual game. Yes the others had romance. But not sex. I think it should have stayed that way. Just because it has romance doesn't mean it has to include pointless sex. This is a game. I just wish they had left it a "game" and not added the porn.

But what's your opinion on eldritch blasting goblin children?

people will say the same about darker paths or gore... its a game, a story about real life, any good story will have life like elements in it... lets do as you say, Larian removes everything thats offensive or can be percived as troubling, so... what should that be ?, evil ?, should they alow people to lie, cheat, steal, where do you draw the line, how far are you willing to chastice the imagination of a story, or do we allow the story to have uncomfterble ellements, just like most books, moives, have ?... couse if you go down the path of chastasing things based on certain people and their beliefs, we could bascially just end up with a combat simulator... couse the story cant have troubling elements, couse people cant deal with fiction, be it romance(sex) or gore, or evil etc...

Then as for how things eolve as the tech advances, things are getting grafical, but that goes across the line, everything is getting more grafic, where the writing and sounds carried most of the very basic pixels back in the day, there were still avatar pictures that in many cases were more or less sexualiced, boob, bikini armour ?... and as for combat, when you looked at two people fighting as piexels, well not very grafic, compare that with how heads or limbs are chopped off, how the grafic are changed to hurt and wounded, and people get roasted to crisps as smoldering corpses... all these things is more or less mature for a reason... this sort of is the same reasoning goverments in Iran try to enforce on wimen, the have to carry hijab, couse some males cant control them self... well thats not my problem, its a game, a story its not real, and grafics evolve and get more lifelike, that dosent change that it still not real... it just helps to emerse things like any grafic improvment, and yea i can think a head chopped of can feel uncomfterble, but thats part of something lifelike ?

Its a book, movie, game, its fiction to be emersed in, and its labaled ?

Dude, people keep criticizing you and bothering you not exactly because of what you say, but how you say it. You could just say "Yeah, I'm just not into this", instead you said about your niece, which can enter your room when you play Witcher or watch Game of Thrones also. You keep using an aggressive manner of dialog when I think no one can understand what is the exact problem. Nudity is ok, violence is ok, and sex is "porn" for you, which you keep saying. Of course people will try to share their opinion if they think that sex is not "pointless". And it is only one example. Usually, your posts have much more sentences that prompt to argue with you.

Hi All! So there are eleven pages of this back and forth so I don't know if someone else brought this up or not but things like sex and gore can and have in other games been given an on/off/level choice in options and because a wide variety of ages are going to play this game I can totally support something like that being implemented. Personally I have no issues with any of those things in the games I play, I'm in my 50's and I know the difference between a game and real life and my only comments on it are that some games do it better than others and I wish they all did them well. I can, however, understand why some people may not like like sex in a video game, parents may not want their younger kids to see it yet and D&D is a game played by kids as well as adults. I also know a couple of people who do find sex in video games a bit weird and would rather skip it, to each their own.

So why not just solve the problem, if you believe there is one, by adding an on/off/level choice for sex and gore in the options and Bob's yur Uncle.

Edit: fixed some spelling

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(This was brought up, but in the midst of all this chaos, I enjoyed seeing your response ^^)

To be honest, I can not remember a non-fully isometric game that has an on/off switch for gore. Owlcat's games yes, but there it is easy to implement. In BG3 with its cinematic shots, you will need a tremendous amount of work, changing not only effects in combat but also cinematics.

As stated (and showed) before ... there are hints that something close is allready working on:

To both of you, reply on reply sorta...

Its a idea, and not a bad one, but, and this is the big but... as games get more advanced with all cutscenes, and all grafics... the amount of voice lines, text lines and cutscenes in 3d would have to be gone through, and in many cased changed, meaning there need to be duplicable versions, depending of PG or Mature, couse, just removing a cutscene, might couse some very strange story line paradoxes... and when you start to phantom the amount of work this piles up to, its alot of extra work for Larian... and then there is the levels of hell and what to alow, is the scene with the loviatar priest oki, its bascially a pain and pleasure scene, should that be allowed ?... why i understand some people discomfort with these things, i personally think its better people actually deal with discomfort and learn to handle, but that is my personal view... i also dont think Larian have the time to do this, if we want the game in august...

I am pretty sure they are what is described as playersexual. They are always interested in romancing the player character regardless of their race or gender.

The data files with the leaf, along with the complete model anatomy that's been found make me think that the final situation is planned by Larian to look like this:

Settings:
Intimate Scenes: [Full/Fade/Off]
Streaming Mode: [On/Off]

Meaning, that there will be a jump cut option that completely avoids all three elements of the intimate scenes (the preamble, the scene and the morning after), and assumes default choices for the inter-character choices you make within them. Then there will be an option that plays the preamble and the morning after scenes, but does a black-fade cut over the central intimate scene itself (in some cases this still involves naked breasts, but shows no activity). Finally an option to play the full sequence as intended, but, if your twitch integration or streaming mode is turned on, there will be intimate censoring over the necessary elements of those scenes.

((On the subject of the complete model anatomy found in the files, I was disappointed to find that the penises located are all sleepy and flaccid - it's curious though, because if they were there to be used for sex scenes in particular, and for the complete intimate scene body models, then they'd really need to be erect, one would think...))

That would be lovely!

If they indeed implement that (and I really hope so), I hope that "preamble" will still include things like
because it's still technically before sex.

But hey, maybe they'll surprise me with the actual scene and I won't need the "fade" option on following playthroughs 🙂 (there're still the "might break characters/immersion by how it's depicted" issue, we'll see).

Still, again, those settings would be awesome 💜!

(About the current model, I would assume it's the one that might be displayed when removing armor under certain settings or for certain shots during the sex scene but they haven't implement "erected penis" yet? I'm completely speculating of course.)

And what is your point? Someone said BG is not a place for sex scenes. I said sex was always part of BG and you go on a rant about Disney movies? Presenting things to children? WTF indeed.

If you don’t see a difference between this and [choose your pornhub video of choice] then I don’t think I have a time or capability to explain it to you.

Personally, I wouldn’t say that sex scenes have no place in BG3 - such description can mean many things (Prince of Persia: Sand of Times had an appropriate sexscene for a game it was) but if we use “sex scenes” as a term for the cutscene that plays during “romance” with M. in-between agreeing to sleep with her, and morning after, I don’t think it is an outrageous claim to make, even if a poorly worded one.

I'm going to put it like this:

I'm a Christian. Most know that, but in case you didn't, there you go.

Growing up, there was TONS of entertainment I could enjoy that didn't include sex and vulgarity and tons of gore. As the years have progressed, a schism has occurred. Either entertainment is lame and low quality and has no sex or vulgarity, or it has good story and is well done but I have to endure sex and vulgarity and gore. It is hard to find anything that I don't have to compromise on. Heck. Even kid shows and movies and games are riddled with adult content nowadays. It's VERY frustrating trying to find anything that I can enjoy - a good, just fun, adventure and drama.

BG1 and 2 and most RPGs back then we're games everyone could play without having to worry about potentially seeing such things. So, it is not a huge leap to expect that people might want the same thing for BG3 - at least the option to have a good, fun adventure that isn't sucky, cringey and lame and that doesn't have explicit sex and vulgarity.

That said, I don't necessarily expect them to change things. However, it's a hope that I and obviously others have that we might be able to FULLY enjoy BG3 without such content - enjoying the ability to romance without full on naked characters having sex on screen and the vile language of the duergar. To at least have the option would be SO nice and would increase my respect for Larian.

I'm going to put it like this:

I'm an atheist. Most know that, but in case you didn't, there you go.

I think people misremember past content based on anecdotal evidence. If anything children's entertainment has become much more sanitized, less thoughtful, and more frenetic**. Ren and Stimpy, and Scooby Doo were some OG stuff that dealt with adult subject matter and super sketchy people. Most of the more modern cartoons deal in innuendo that is aimed at adults but will fly right over kids heads but they draw from a "safe" list of well tested tropes that define all the characters traits. Also really well made films are about Art, which can be sometimes brutal or vulgar as it imitates life - which is also brutal and vulgar. When Art is built around ideologies of any kind, or censorship of any kind it fails. Human beings act in all kinds of disappointing ways, and frankly I think its better to make kids aware of that early, rather than late. Our job is to prepare them for the world, not shelter them from its harsh truths and thrust them unprepared into a world that will devour them.

BG1 and Bg2 dealt with all kinds of adult content. There was a literal whorehouse in Bg2 - The Pleasure Tent - and the scantily clad girls had all kinds of interesting things to say. There were adult situations aplenty - such as torture and sexual assault.

That said, I expect Larian will fine tune things as time goes on, and they do take into account player feedback. I find it difficult to fathom why people get so worked up about things that don't materially effect them. When I say that I mean - "imagien you had to walk into a court of law and explain how X harmed you - would you have a case or be laughed at?"

**I am only counting children's cartoons, not adult cartoons like Family Guy and South Park. If your kids are watching stuff like that - that's on you bro - they don't air that stuff on Sunday mornings for a reason.

This is how the modern world works. Being offended for at any occasion is a weapon used for validation, discrimination and even as a pass time. We truly live in a society.

GM4Him is complaining about the choice to show it explicitly with those graphics, there's a lot going on the original games that would become much more explicit if made with the graphics of Baldur's Gate 3. There's a brothel in Baldur's Gate as well, but the way its presented to us will have nothing to do with what is and isn't graphically possible, it's about what is understood to be the audience of this game, adults who want the medium to be treated with the same respect as the rise in 'prestige television'.
Cartoons are a good example of censorship in media (even if Ren and Stimpy isn't a kid's show), because you can easily compare its development between different cultures.

I think maybe GM4Him is looking at past eras of media with rose-tinted glasses, but having sex scenes added to the game does move it out of the reach of a lot of the people who were likely to have played the first games (myself included)

I still haven't seen an argument in favour of these scenes other than "b-but they're mature!"

"i can't understand how people are..."

this is a closed beta forum for a game that isn't yet released where feedback is ACTIVELY REQUESTED by the developers.

If you don't like people sharing opinions that differ from yours, you might want to rethink your approach to "community".

And, quite frankly, the selfishness inside the "i can't understand how people" attitude is emblematic of a kind of aggressively immature toxicity and gatekeeping that has produced, as GM4 has pointed out, a litany of fiction that is either a) completely diluted and lame, or b) infused with sex and violence.

One can only surmise that the lack of dramatic representation without explicit representations of things indicates a lack of quality writing and narrative capacity for implication.

.... "I" can't understand how people REQUIRE explicit depictions in order to enjoy fiction or feel mature. I think there is something broken and unhealthy about the insistence on explicit depictions as a representation of "maturity".