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Originally Posted by Garold_izAravii
You insulted different people, and it looked like a trie to be heard. It did not look like an attempt to persuade. You said there are vocal people whose opinions can be heard by developers, and it seems like you are trying to have more voice than them. What do you want to call it? Listen, I am trying to speak with you respectfully, but you do not make it easier.
Your assumption is wrong. Now, please, stay on topic, which is appropriateness of the sex scenes in the game and not my methods of delivering information.

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OP, I really don't understand If:

A) you find sex repulsive and want less of it in romances
B) you find sex with near strangers repulsive/disapprove of casual sex before a relationship
C) you disapprove of the sex positions
D) you think the game is too limited in animation for it to be erotic

I can't say I have ever found a scene in any game to be erotic. Literally never. However, I'm also a big fan of skipping them. On the one hand, I do understand the direction of your complaint personally, but... I don't think there's any fixing it.

Since it's unfixable, they may as well give it their best shot for the people who like that sort of thing.

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If you are cringing to human body then your parents raised you very poorly.

I think your insults say more about your upbringing than mine.

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That person didn't ask for options, he said that sex doesn't have place in the BG franchise. And comparing that with racism is the most appropriate one. One claims that having a different skin colour, which is natural to humans, is bad. Another claims that a natural human activity like sex is bad.

This is a fallacious argument - not all "natural human activities" need to be portrayed in game. We don't have to stop for our characters to take a poo, and certainly wouldn't want to see it in all its 3d-rendered glory, even though it is completely natural. There is a time and place for everything, and it would be nice to handle private romantic encounters with a little more taste.

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Originally Posted by Arkhan
This is a fallacious argument - not all "natural human activities" need to be portrayed in game. We don't have to stop for our characters to take a poo, and certainly wouldn't want to see it in all its 3d-rendered glory, even though it is completely natural. There is a time and place for everything, and it would be nice to handle private romantic encounters with a little more taste.
So having a sexual intercourse is as tasteful and important of a life event as taking a poo for you?

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I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going to go anywhere beyond this. We're not arguing about whether there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons, since it's likely that was always intended to be in the game, but whether it should be in the game at all, and the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response, which is entirely a reactionary one and unworthy of consideration. If that's the line they draw as to whether or not they'll play the game, then I hope they don't play at all. The game will be better for it, and succeed without them.

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Originally Posted by Swagnar
the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response
Not true. Some of us don't want it in the game because we don't think it's necessary, the animation and choreography is cringe, the scenes won't accurately reflect personalities we have for our Tavs, and/or the money spent on animating these scenes could be better spent elsewhere. Plus likely other reasons I didn't mention.

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Originally Posted by Arkhan
I think your insults say more about your upbringing than mine.

My upbringing could have been better but not for the reasons you think.

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This is a fallacious argument - not all "natural human activities" need to be portrayed in game. We don't have to stop for our characters to take a poo, and certainly wouldn't want to see it in all its 3d-rendered glory, even though it is completely natural. There is a time and place for everything, and it would be nice to handle private romantic encounters with a little more taste.
If your sexual experience in life and romantic life is as enjoyable as taking a poo then please accept my condolences to you.

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the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response
Not true. Some of us don't want it in the game because we don't think it's necessary, the animation and choreography is cringe, the scenes won't accurately reflect personalities we have for our Tavs, and/or the money spent on animating these scenes could be better spent elsewhere. Plus likely other reasons I didn't mention.
Cringe is a disgust response.

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I agree that the questions, generalized, are good ones.

"How much should we invest into sex scenes?"

"Why do we invest in sex scenes?"

"What is the purpose of sex scenes?"

However... Q1) effort has already been invested, Q2) was determined from the start (flavour), and Q3) is really very, very philosophical.

And being philosophical, what we get out of it is more questions. Questions that don't have definitive answers. Currently, we may /complain/, but... That's going to get ignored, isn't it. People don't go out wanting to push boundaries and then get upset over a reaction. Best case scenario: Larian works on improving the animation

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The question of tasteful porn is even more difficult, because If we are to preserve flavour... There might just be a hard BDSM scene instead of 69ing. Who decides what's more or less correct in bed?

Animation quality is judgeable. But is "correct" sex?

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Originally Posted by Swagnar
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the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response
Not true. Some of us don't want it in the game because we don't think it's necessary, the animation and choreography is cringe, the scenes won't accurately reflect personalities we have for our Tavs, and/or the money spent on animating these scenes could be better spent elsewhere. Plus likely other reasons I didn't mention.
Cringe is a disgust response.
1.) I said "and/or," so people could feel one or more of the other reasons I gave.
2.) Cringing at the animation and choreography is different than the disgust at the sex being shown at all; the latter is what most people ITT are referring to when using that word. Did you mean something different?

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And being philosophical, what we get out of it is more questions. Questions that don't have definitive answers. Currently, we may /complain/, but... That's going to get ignored, isn't it. People don't go out wanting to push boundaries and then get upset over a reaction. Best case scenario: Larian works on improving the animation
I mean, this is the feedback section of the forums, so it's the right place for complaining. Theoretically, with 7 months until the release date, Larian might still take account our feedback. Hopefully they at least look at this thread (and all others) and take it account when considering further changes to the game before release.

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Originally Posted by Swagnar
I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going to go anywhere beyond this. We're not arguing about whether there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons, since it's likely that was always intended to be in the game, but whether it should be in the game at all, and the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response, which is entirely a reactionary one and unworthy of consideration. If that's the line they draw as to whether or not they'll play the game, then I hope they don't play at all. The game will be better for it, and succeed without them.

Sweet Lord! I'm fairly certain there must be an interpretation disconnect or something. I literally said multiple times that all I'm really hoping for is this:. there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons...

I even said for streaming purposes. Yes. I want it for personal reasons, but also for streaming. Of course I'd PREFER none of it at all, but that's just my preference.

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Originally Posted by Arkhan
We don't have to stop for our characters to take a poo, and certainly wouldn't want to see it in all its 3d-rendered glory, even though it is completely natural.

Whenever this comes up, as it generally will any time a thread on this topic is raised, I always feel the need to bring up the ironic point that Larian have indeed taken time and energy to 3d render, shoot dramatic close-ups on and record scenes of poo, and of npcs attempting to bully our characters into smearing it all over our own faces - complete with detailed narration and description... So before you say "We don't...", it's necessary to pause for a moment and just uncomfortably absorb the fact that Larian does. Larian ran past that road marker a long time ago.


That is all, do continue your debate, and please remember to play nice with one another ^.^

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Originally Posted by Swagnar
I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going to go anywhere beyond this. We're not arguing about whether there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons, since it's likely that was always intended to be in the game, but whether it should be in the game at all, and the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response, which is entirely a reactionary one and unworthy of consideration. If that's the line they draw as to whether or not they'll play the game, then I hope they don't play at all. The game will be better for it, and succeed without them.

Sweet Lord! I'm fairly certain there must be an interpretation disconnect or something. I literally said multiple times that all I'm really hoping for is this:. there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons...

I even said for streaming purposes. Yes. I want it for personal reasons, but also for streaming. Of course I'd PREFER none of it at all, but that's just my preference.

To be fair, when people say "This shouldn't be in the game." and "This is a waste of budget", it isn't the same statement as "I hope there's a streamer option for those who don't want to see it." I have no issue with that. But any aspect of the game is a theoretical waste of budget. High fidelity graphics is a waste of budget. You can make good games with lofi lopoly graphics. voiced dialogue is a waste of budget. you can make a good game with text dialogue only. class and race choices are a waste of budget. Plenty of good RPGs force you to play 1 character. Anything the devs deliberately put into the game is where the budget is meant to go. Anything that's cut in development is things the devs can't do due to whatever limitation. If the existence of content in a game is a reason for someone to not play it, even if it's optional, then I don't care about them, because everything shouldn't be for everyone, and that content might appeal to others who deserve to have a game that caters to their interests.

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Originally Posted by vometia
Guys, please be respectful when discussing stuff; and let's keep RL religion and politics out of the discussion, nothing good ever comes of it.

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Going back to some posts the previous page, what isn't allowed includes insults and so on, so a reminder to knock it off, please. Talking of age-appropriate, I'm sure we're all grown-up enough to be above that sort of thing. If it continues, some people may have an enforced holiday.

Third time's the charm, hopefully: stop insulting each other. Please. Before anyone else gets suspended/banned and I lock the topic for good.


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Originally Posted by Niara
Whenever this comes up, as it generally will any time a thread on this topic is raised, I always feel the need to bring up the ironic point that Larian have indeed taken time and energy to 3d render, shoot dramatic close-ups on and record scenes of poo, and of npcs attempting to bully our characters into smearing it all over our own faces - complete with detailed narration and description...
Oh God, you are right! ouch Whyyyyyyyyyy

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the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response
Not true. Some of us don't want it in the game because we don't think it's necessary, the animation and choreography is cringe,
Cringe is a disgust response.
Nah. In polish I would describe it as “zażenowanie”, which the best translation I can find is: “vicarious embarrassment”.

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The original meaning of cringe is consistent with an extreme disgust response.

Oxford dictionairy: (on the verb)
1. to recoil in distaste

The new Gen Z meaning is any embarrassing thing ever

(On the adjective)
3. so embarrassing, awkward, etc. as to cause one to cringe : CRINGEWORTHY

Noteworthy: by Merriam-Webster, cringe can be sourced from disgust, embarrassment or fear

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Originally Posted by Swagnar
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Originally Posted by Swagnar
I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going to go anywhere beyond this. We're not arguing about whether there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons, since it's likely that was always intended to be in the game, but whether it should be in the game at all, and the only people who want it removed are motivated by a disgust response, which is entirely a reactionary one and unworthy of consideration. If that's the line they draw as to whether or not they'll play the game, then I hope they don't play at all. The game will be better for it, and succeed without them.

Sweet Lord! I'm fairly certain there must be an interpretation disconnect or something. I literally said multiple times that all I'm really hoping for is this:. there should be a streamer mode that blurs some of the naughty bits for TOS reasons...

I even said for streaming purposes. Yes. I want it for personal reasons, but also for streaming. Of course I'd PREFER none of it at all, but that's just my preference.

To be fair, when people say "This shouldn't be in the game." and "This is a waste of budget", it isn't the same statement as "I hope there's a streamer option for those who don't want to see it." I have no issue with that. But any aspect of the game is a theoretical waste of budget. High fidelity graphics is a waste of budget. You can make good games with lofi lopoly graphics. voiced dialogue is a waste of budget. you can make a good game with text dialogue only. class and race choices are a waste of budget. Plenty of good RPGs force you to play 1 character. Anything the devs deliberately put into the game is where the budget is meant to go. Anything that's cut in development is things the devs can't do due to whatever limitation. If the existence of content in a game is a reason for someone to not play it, even if it's optional, then I don't care about them, because everything shouldn't be for everyone, and that content might appeal to others who deserve to have a game that caters to their interests.

But I basically said "This shouldn't be in the game." and "This is a waste of budget", and if I don't get that then Larian please at least give me "a streamer option for those who don't want to see it.". It wasn't "This shouldn't be in the game." and "This is a waste of budget", and "Larian. You have no right to have sex scenes and vulgarity in this game."

This is EA, Swagnar. We're supposed to give our personal feedback and suggestions of what we want in the game. I'm not trying to create a totalitarian dictatorship military regime here. I'm just stating what I personally want. You may not care about me and my opinion, but honestly that doesn't matter. Larian is who we're suggesting things to, and that's what I'm doing. I want this thread to stay alive because I want others who feel similarly to me to post here and give their support to some sort of streaming option to cut the sex and vulgarity from the game or at least blur it or something. The more who want this option, the more potential that I get it so if they do add more sex and vulgarity I can still play the game.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
I interesting claim. As someone who played most major D&D and non-D&D cRPGs, and Baldur’s Gate series specifically I would be willing to call bullshit on that. But maybe you are right, maybe computer adaptations have been sanitised up to this point. Let’s see… D&D starter set… 12+ rating, just like your usual D&D cRPG. How… expected.

I’m talking about the forgotten realms dnd tabletop game setting that was creates by Ed Greenwood not computer games and not whatever 5edition wizards of the coast thing you linked. Nice job attacking a strawman though.

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