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Yes, better graphics doesn't always implies being more explicit, but sometimes it does. Look at Doom, GTA or Metal Gear, they evolved from their primitive origins and added explicit violence or nudity. I can't speak for Metal Gear but Doom and GTA both had mature content in them. Aurora's claim is that visual fidelity, not game's content, dictates age rating, which is just factually not true. GTA 1 and 2 do not have any mention or appearance of sex. Metal Gear had no nudity until MGS2 (and come dangerously close with Quiet in MGS5 with the "she breathe through her skin" excuse). Doom is debatable but I'll argue that the added gore between Doom 1 and Doom 2016 is separated by such a giant leap that is qualifies. I would add The Last of Us to this list. The first episode only had some passing mentions, the second has very graphic and upsetting content.
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They don't show sex to sell the game, although sex does sell, as does violence.
They show it because it's there, and you can choose not to partake in it, like you can avoid killing everyone in your path, but the option is there.
The sex scenes do not force you into anything, you don't have to romance anyone, you don't have to change your favorite role play style.
Some characters will be more weird than others.
Naming it cartoon porn is your own interpretation of it.
Porn is fully about sex, a scene in the game does not constitute the whole game, nor does the game revolve around it. Part of the issue with these threads is that they are long, and people only get parts of the whole Convo. I've said before, if they keep the sex scenes as optional, basically nothing more in your face that you can't avoid, I'm not gonna quit playing the game. I can avoid the sex scenes and finish BG3. Granted, I WISH I could have a romance in the game without necessarily explicit sex scenes, but... My fear is that they will make the graphic sex unavoidable at some point. Then I won't be able to finish the game. Knowing Larian i honestly wouldn't worry about that. You are going to be able to have a romance without sex even, it's a big possibility, or at least without anything graphic. I was mostly replying to the OP :3
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They don't show sex to sell the game, although sex does sell, as does violence.
They show it because it's there, and you can choose not to partake in it, like you can avoid killing everyone in your path, but the option is there.
The sex scenes do not force you into anything, you don't have to romance anyone, you don't have to change your favorite role play style.
Some characters will be more weird than others.
Naming it cartoon porn is your own interpretation of it.
Porn is fully about sex, a scene in the game does not constitute the whole game, nor does the game revolve around it. Part of the issue with these threads is that they are long, and people only get parts of the whole Convo. I've said before, if they keep the sex scenes as optional, basically nothing more in your face that you can't avoid, I'm not gonna quit playing the game. I can avoid the sex scenes and finish BG3. Granted, I WISH I could have a romance in the game without necessarily explicit sex scenes, but... My fear is that they will make the graphic sex unavoidable at some point. Then I won't be able to finish the game. Knowing Larian i honestly wouldn't worry about that. You are going to be able to have a romance without sex even, it's a big possibility, or at least without anything graphic. I was mostly replying to the OP :3 Ah yes. The OP... The one who started the ball rolling, stirred people up and dipped. Lol. But yes. Based on DOS 2 and EA, seems like I'll be fine. Still, now that Full Release is approaching, this thread has gotten me to ponder the possibility that Larian could throw more sex into this game and thus prevent me from playing to the end. So I've been just a tad nervous.
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If people don't buy the game because there is no explicit sex scenes, then the game must suck.
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...people who want porn in a game will still likely buy a good RPG that doesn't have sex, but people who don't like porn and don't want it in their games will struggle internally about buying a game with porn in it even if the game is good. Just jumping back to this (time zones, and many posts)... This suggestion only tracks in the perfect world scenario you're setting up in order to make the point. It doesn't tack in actual reality. Here's the actual reality: I'm a modern, mature adult, not a 1% super rich person, and someone who doesn't have an infinite abundance of time to play games, so I have to make choices. I don't have the time to play two games, and I don't have the budget to buy two games - I have to choose which one I want to invest in for the time being. If I, as an adult, buying games for myself, have to choose between a reportedly well written and made game with no adult elements and completely family friendly coverings for everything, OR a similarly well written and made game that caters to adult elements and tastes and contains optional adult content in relation to my character... I am Definitely going to pick the latter to play, over the former. The point made (to which this was response) about isolation of possible sales going both ways is very much legitimate. We're still more or less on the same 'side' of this discussion - that being the group who are pushing for appropriate options in the game settings to censor or avoid those sequences if the player wants to, without actually removing or limiting their production. I'd like to be able to tell the game how my various different characters choose to groom and present their squishy bits, so they show up accurately in intimate moments... you'd rather those bits not exist in the game engine at all while you're playing, and we can both get what we want at the same time, if Larian do this right.
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I'm also a modern, mature adult, not a 1% super rich person, and someone who doesn't have an infinite abundance of time to play games, so I have to make choices.
If I, as an adult, buying games for myself, have to choose between a reportedly well written and made game with no adult elements and completely family friendly coverings for everything, OR a similarly well written and made game that caters to adult elements and tastes and contains optional adult content in relation to my character... I am Definitely going to pick the former to play, over the latter, and I will likely never pick up the latter because of it's adult content. Not only that, but I will likely tell others that the latter has adult content and they probably shouldn't play it nor should they let their teen kids play it - depending on just how explicit the content is. However, the former will be promoted not only by me but all those I promote it to because it is a good game and one they can play in good conscience along with even their teen kids.
And that's my point. I know numerous people who are this way. Word of mouth promotions or negative criticisms can ruin a game.
But ultimately you are right. We're still more or less on the same 'side' of this discussion - that being the group who are pushing for appropriate options in the game settings to censor or avoid those sequences if the player wants to, without actually removing or limiting their production. I'd like to be able to tell the game how my various different characters choose to groom and present their squishy bits, so they show up accurately in intimate moments... you'd rather those bits not exist in the game engine at all while you're playing, and we can both get what we want at the same time, if Larian do this right.
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Repeating back what was just said but from the other side of the argument seems to be a theme of this thread. I don't think it accomplishes anything. You're agreeing with her.
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I'd like to be able to tell the game how my various different characters choose to groom and present their squishy bits, so they show up accurately in intimate moments... *tongue in cheek* Truly? Would you now? Well, consider me surprised and corrected ^.^ (Might want to swap your 'I's and 'you's I suspect, hehe)
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Repeating back what was just said but from the other side of the argument seems to be a theme of this thread. I don't think it accomplishes anything. You're agreeing with her. Yeah. Lol. I got used to repeating what others said because for said others - not Niara - I wasn't sure how else to explain what I was saying to them. I agreed with most of what she said, but not all. I'd like to be able to tell the game how my various different characters choose to groom and present their squishy bits, so they show up accurately in intimate moments... *tongue in cheek* Truly? Would you now? Well, consider me surprised and corrected ^.^ (Might want to swap your 'I's and 'you's I suspect, hehe) Quite honestly, I've been accused of many things on this forum including that I'm a hypocrite, a liar, a totalitarian, a Puritan, etc. Whatever. I'm not playing games or trying to be a frustrating jerk here either. I'm really trying to find the middle ground because I really want to finish this game. I literally wrestled for months with my initial purchase of BG3 BECAUSE of this topic. Because BG3 was advertised as having sex scenes and a mature rating, I literally decided to play Neverwinter Online when EA for BG3 first began. I wanted to play BG3, but I settled for the other because it was clean with no sex or nudity. I also bought Solasta for the same reason. But BG3 looked so freaking awesome, and I was going crazy because I really wanted to play it. I was even playing through BG1 and 2 and Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 and Icewind Dale to try to satisfy the itch - a little here and a little there - doing everything I could to NOT buy BG3 and literally all because of the sexual content. In the end, I caved, hoping and praying the content wouldn't be blatant or too graphical. Thankfully, it wasn't and the naughty scenes were locked behind a definite trigger... Except the bugbear and ogre bit, which was not TOO bad. I mean, I was thoroughly disgusted by the scene, but at least I wasn't seeing them literally doing it and I have never triggered that scene again. And yes, even now, I fear that EA is where my BG3 adventure will end. No matter how much I have loved it, I will drop it if they throw naked whatever at me with full on penis on screen in some perverted manner, or topless women or explicit sex or stripper bars I have to enter and can't avoid etc. I almost stopped playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake because of the Honey Bee stuff and Don Corneo, and the original game and KOTOR have ranked Top 2 for most of my adult life. Anyway, my point is that this is a very serious issue for me, and I'm not alone. Hence there has been numerous people on this forum since EA began who have been very upset by the sex scenes, some PMing me and thanking me for standing up and putting myself out here for ridicule and mockery. I might be in the absolute 0.5% on this thread and forum, but I'm a part of a much bigger percentage of audience than that outside this thread. You just don't encounter them because they either haven't bought the game or they have but they don't participate in these forums. But whatever. The point remains as you stated. If they just provide the dang option to censor the game, fade to black, blur out naughty bits, OR something, that would pretty much satisfy a vast majority, including the fan group I fall into.
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Visual detailed sex in semi serious RPG video games never works. Never. Its either badly acted, silly or just plain stupid. There are way better ways to do this without explicitly showing everything. It work great though in COMEDY setting: The Leisure Suit Larry games for example. Duke Nukem 3D (the 90s game, no direct sex scenes but would work great) Sexy Parodious God of War (semi-comedy  The ironic thing with BG3 it borderlines on so weird and silly , it turns it into comedy gold. The Witcher 3 also is incredibly funny. The last of us 2 omg...and these are VERY serious games lol. It just does not work. And Larian is the last company on this planet that could make this work, looking at their previous games. The way they are implemented RIGHT NOW in the D&D world, I want a <skip sex content> button. Otherwise let me customize my penis and nipples details to my heart's desire, just like for hair styles.
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It just reminded me of the bowl of goat's milk that old Winthrop used to put outside his door every evening for the dust demons. He said the dust demons could never resist goat's milk, and that they would always drink themselves into a stupor and then be too tired to enter his room..
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I almost stopped playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake because of the Honey Bee stuff and Don Corneo, and the original game [...] ranked Top 2 for most of my adult life. Meanwhile, I'm *deeply* disappointed that they caved in and made the Honey Bee no longer a brothel, in the remake, like it very much is in the original. Needless censorship and pointless sanitisation. Sorry, I'm off topic, I just thought it was an interesting comparison - you almost dropped it for being too sexy, and I was equally disgusted at the exact same content, because of it being *more* sanitised than the original.
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I almost stopped playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake because of the Honey Bee stuff and Don Corneo, and the original game and KOTOR have ranked Top 2 for most of my adult life. haha, that said FF7 remake really sanitised that part of the story compared to the original. No more group "bath" scene. This is a sequence that could get very soucy if replicated in full HD glory (see, @Aurora42 that's actually a better example of low fidelity sexual content than anything I brought up before. This is where your theory could have applied, not Baldur's Gate1&2). The entire sequence went well over my innocent head when I played it for the first time, but when I had troubles pushing through Corneo bit, when I played it after Steam release. Meh, remake was fine, if unnecessarily stretched out at times. I really hated the dancing QTE.
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Visual detailed sex in semi serious RPG video games never works. Never.
The ironic thing with BG3 it borderlines on so weird and silly , it turns it into comedy gold. The Witcher 3 also is incredibly funny. The last of us 2 omg...and these are VERY serious games lol.
It just does not work.
. Well, speak for yourself. I think sex scenes in The Witcher 3 and Last of us 2 worked fine.
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[quote=Vitani][quote=GM4Him]If people don't buy the game because there is no explicit sex scenes, then the game must suck. A well written, well designed game does not need sex to sell it. Tell that to the marketing division of every perfume and aftershave company on the planet...
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[quote=Vitani][quote=GM4Him]If people don't buy the game because there is no explicit sex scenes, then the game must suck. A well written, well designed game does not need sex to sell it. Tell that to the marketing division of every perfume and aftershave company on the planet... I find perfume and aftershave commercials baffling honestly. I do not envy the marketting folks who have to put together those campaigns. It feels like they've just gotten weirder and weirder and I can't blame them. I don't know how I would market a smell to people unable to presently smell it.
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I find perfume and aftershave commercials baffling honestly. I do not envy the marketting folks who have to put together those campaigns. It feels like they've just gotten weirder and weirder and I can't blame them. I don't know how I would market a smell to people unable to presently smell it. I think it's just to get it to stick in people's minds, so when you're faced with an entire wall of stuff wondering what to choose you think "oh yeah, I remember that ad, it was pretty cool" which might influence enough people. I'm also reminded of the increasingly surreal cigarette ads (B&H IIRC) between banning them featuring models and being banned altogether and which got people talking; same as the Guinness "weird series" ads from around 30 years back.
J'aime le fromage.
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I almost stopped playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake because of the Honey Bee stuff and Don Corneo, and the original game [...] ranked Top 2 for most of my adult life. Meanwhile, I'm *deeply* disappointed that they caved in and made the Honey Bee no longer a brothel, in the remake, like it very much is in the original. Needless censorship and pointless sanitisation. Sorry, I'm off topic, I just thought it was an interesting comparison - you almost dropped it for being too sexy, and I was equally disgusted at the exact same content, because of it being *more* sanitised than the original. I will admit, the Honey Bee QTE in FF7 Remake was absolutely terrible. I barely stomached it, not because it was too much naughtiness but because it was too much cringe. However, I am surprised that you are upset about them changing it. I mean, it being a brothel made it sleazy and creepy, but the whole thing was one total perverted joke after another even down to the Mukki homosexual hot tub situation. It was my understanding that they were totally making fun of homosexuals with that entire event and implying that Cloud was gang raped by the huge homosexual men - especially Mukki. Everything about it was insulting, even down to Don Corneo's behavior and Cloud being forced to cross-dress (which wasn't done as a sign of respect for cross-dressers but was done to make fun of them). I didn't find it fun at all, and it was the worst part of the game precisely because it was insulting, vile, and stupid. Don Corneo's character was slapstick pervert, reminding me a lot of some of Benny Hill or Monty Python material that totally objectified women and/or made fun of homosexuals. I am SO glad they didn't keep them in the FF7 Remake. Better graphics definitely would have made the scenes even more awful than they were the first time. So, I agree with Wormerine on this one. "This is a sequence that could get very soucy if replicated in full HD glory (see, @Aurora42 that's actually a better example of low fidelity sexual content than anything I brought up before. This is where your theory could have applied, not Baldur's Gate1&2)." The whole Honey Bee thing could have been REALLY disturbing in FF7 Remake if they'd kept the original material, and it could have been VERY offensive and caused Square Enix all sorts of backlash. But even still, they didn't ACTUALLY show anything. They implied it, but they didn't show it. Thus, a lot of it just went over younger people's heads precisely because it wasn't shown. There is a HUGE difference between implying sex, rape, etc. and showing it. But, if you have no idea what the Mukki hot tub situation is, see the script below:
[Muuki]
"Wassup!!"
"(Smile, smile, smile...)"
[Cloud]
"Oh man..."
"What should I do...?"
***Cloud
I'm outta here
[Cloud]
"I've got no time to mess around with you."
"Outta my way!"
[Mukki]
"...heave... pant..."
"Don't be so embarrassed! Loosen up, bubby!"
"...heave... pant..."
"Let's wash off all our sweat and dirt together!"
"Wassup!!"
(They all move in towards Cloud. The camera pans up to the ceiling so that
just the tops of their heads are showing.)
[Mukki]
"Bubby! You're the intimate type, huh!!"
(Sounds of clothes being removed...)
[Mukki]
"...heave... pant... Wow!! Would ya look at that!"
(They all climb into the tub.)
[Mukki]
"Isn't bathing great...?"
"It soothes your heart."
"How is it, bubby!?"
"Feels good, huh?"
***Cloud
.........
[Cloud]
"I don't feel good. Let me out..."
[Mukki]
"You'll get used to it. Try counting to ten."
[Cloud]
"Ten..."
"Nine..."
[Mukki]
"Hey bubby, how old are you?"
[Cloud]
"Eight..."
"Twenty one..."
[Mukki]
"You're less than half my age. I'm so jealous."
"So how 'bout it...?"
"Do you wanna join my "Young bubby's" group?"
***Cloud
Not interested
[Cloud]
"Seven..."
"Six..."
"Maybe in another life."
[Mukki]
"Well, if that's how you feel... too bad."
"We have a trip planned at a cabin out in the country."
[Cloud]
"Five..."
"Four..."
"Three...."
"Two..."
"One..."
"Alright, that's ten. I'm gettin' out."
[Mukki]
"Why don't you stick around and play a bit?"
"Daddy's so lonely..."
(They all pile out.)
[Mukki]
"Bubby!!" This is important to
me."
"Here's a memento of our time
together!"
(He gives you the Bikini Briefs.)
[Mukki]
"Hope we meet again!"
(They all run out of the room.)
[Cloud]
"This is SOME underwear.... I'm supposed to wear this...?"
"Well, if it's to save Tifa... I guess there's no way around."
(He leaves the room.)
(If you choose The &$#% Room...)
[Cloud]
"I'll take this room."
"All right, Now all we have to do is enter the room."
"You're not going to have a change of heart, are you?"
***Cloud
Don't make me repeat myself
"Oh, don't be angry with me.... (Geez.... this one' probably the
violent type....)"
"All right, please."
(Cloud enters. There is a bright flash of light and the room dims. Cloud
walks forward and sees a ghost of himself, transparent, kneeling by the
tub. The ghost rises and walks to him.)
[Cloud]
"Hmm.....? You.....?"
"What are you doing in a place like this?"
(Cloud clutches his head as if in great pain.)
"That's what I want to ask you. Should you be foolin' around
here?"
"You think problems will go away just thinkin' about them?"
(The ghost rises, lifts his sword above his head... and falls forward, into
Cloud's body. He falls and the screen goes black)
"Oh no!"
"Help! Someone...! Hurry!"
"You can't change anything by just sitting back and looking at it."
[Cloud]
"What are you saying?"
"It's started moving."
[Cloud]
"What has?"
"Wake up!"
(Time passes....)
"rub, rub, rub..... rub, rub, rub, rub...."
"thump... pound.... thump... pound..."
"poik... poik... ...squish."
[Cloud]
"Uh... OW..!!"
"Wake up!!"
(Slapping noises.)
"Wake up!!"
(Screen fades in to show Mukki straddling Cloud and slapping him upside
the head. Cloud sits up and Mukki flops down on the bed.)
"Phew, I'm so relieved."
[Mukki]
"Bubby!! I heard you collapsed."
"No, no, no."
"Don't get so uptight."
***Cloud
Huh...?
[Mukki]
"Hmm...? They say youth is so long but so short."
"Let's give this next one your best shot."
(He gets off the bed.)
[Mukki]
"Time's up. Bye, buddy."
(Mukki goes to leave. Cloud catches him.)
[Mukki]
"Don't get depressed over a thing like this."
"It happens to me all the time."
(Cloud speaks to the honeybee.)
"I'm so sorry... There's a lot of 'adult' things going on..."
"For your inconvenience, please take this, okay?"
(She gives Cloud the Lingerie.)
[Cloud]
"What, this rag? For me!? I just don't get it."
(He leaves the room.)
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GM4Him,I think you're way off base there. When you try to find something to give context to the Honey Bee don't think Vegas, think Shinjuku. As for the crossdressing, you need to understand the disconnect between Japanses Aerith and English Aerith, to appreciate what's going on with that sequence. It's tongue in cheek commentary on city culture, but also girls like to see men dressed as women. You see it a lot in the manga for young women, or even just watching a Clamp anime, Cloud is drawn like an androgynous model for the same reason I think. If you have a spare hour or four, I'd recommend Tim Rogers' video, if you have patience for the surreal. do a little scrubbing I think Part 4 is Wall Market The whole series is an interesting watch. Honestly I'm surprised none of you brought up Red XIII's introduction.
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Okay, I confess I only read the last page of this thread but I came here looking for cartoon porn and didn't find any, what gives?!
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Hey KillerRabbit. There's Lara Croft in a bikini a page back...and a nude Balor, ou la la
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Thanks Sozz! Glad to see there some balor fetishists working for Larian, I'll help spread the word.
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