Well, it *was* about my views of how much more Sacred and Diablo resembled one another than either resembled <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> but you know how those things go. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> By the way, has anybody tried the Worlds of Ultima series? They were done shortly after Ultima VII was released. Garriott had high hopes pinned on those, and when they didn't do well, he blamed the whole third-person approach. It was probably more a case of moving out of his pseudo-Arthurian Avatar world, and into a pair of Martian/Jules Verne and 1930s pulp "forgotten jungle" universes. Both were very well done, however.