If you want to continue living in your little Utopia where everybody is perfect, patient and caring? Wonderful for you. Just don't expect everyone else to maintain the same delusions and act the way you would

Nope, I don't expect that - a Utopia is a Utopia after all. As I tried to find the text, I concentrated on Linkqueen's calendar, but only found 2 entries in 2003 (Dec and April) - then I started to track down her links. So, the responses to her in that time were indeed unfriendly - I didn't want to pursue this any further then - only her text without comments of scavengers/vultures. About her plagiarism: can't judge that, as all names were totally unknown to me. Couldn't even identify one - my interest was reading the angst texts, not more - and they seemed to be hers. Same for the Lucid Dream text - yes, I read that.
Nope, I don't expect the same delusions/act => my way to approach people is the result of a lifelong process and I'm still learning. I maintain my openness though, otherwise I'd just be one of the countless zombies I met in life. Wouldn't like to feel this: numb, empty, functioning - only filtered emotions <shudder>

Humanity in general is about as forgiving and caring as a rusty iron maiden. At your age, surely you know that already. Do not feign such transparent naiveté. I'm so sorry that exposure to real people, as opposed to Carebear caricatures, has caused you so much distress.

Maybe for others - not for me. This rusty iron maiden here likes humanity and chooses to keep it, specially because of my high age. Nice to view if others get annoyed by this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> - Nope, I'm not naive, just stubborn. In any case, these "real people" are not what I'd like to have around in RL, so why should I expose myself to them in the virtual world? I treat them like wasps: ignore them and if they really bother to tumble into my glass => a wave of the hand, c'est tout. Nope, neither wasps nor scavengers/vultures cause me distress - disgust is my only reaction. These people search for victims, and I pity authors falling into their den. And I'm sure, you're not one tiny bit sorry - please, don't. I'd hate to revise the pic I have already <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> . WF and human reactions? Nope, I'd hardly survive this shock - even Carebears have their esteems <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" /> . Please, remain as predictable as you show yourself up to now. Help me keep my little Utopia <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />

And about you welcoming me to the real world => that's a good joke! Having a 20startsomething welcoming me, the 47-yr-old, is hilarious <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Like a yapping puppy trying to tell the old flea-bitten Carebear what the only real correct path is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> Play in your puppy league, WF. Get a few flea bites as well, learn the different shades of life, or keep on yapping at my ankles. I've found my path, thank you for giving me a hearty laugh <wiping laughing tears> Gee, this self-righteousness and intolerance of adolescents <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" /> These paladins of the only true path, the main member group I have to deal with in my job (14-25). Considering themselves soooo unique - and not understanding that 23 yrs of watching this same behaviour over and over again, in search of something unique, bores me mostly and amuses me at best. Correct, my words are arrogant now - but maybe this explains why I am not able to take some behaviour/approach seriously. I've seen too much, WF. You know: been here, done that, saw the same. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> So, black/white is the way you see the world, dearest WF (meant in sincere sense, no irony at all). Don't worry, grey/coloured shades will come, if you keep your eyes open - needs time and XP. In case, I'm not clear enough for you => search the posts you addressed at me, take out the attributes, gather them - and then look how many words simply describe yourself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shhh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Because most Mary Sues are masturbatory fantasies of teenage girls.

Back to being serious now: Hm, I disagree here - my XP comes from published books, and those are written by biological adults. And there are similarities as well. Some even sell excellently: Cartland, Woodiwiss e.g. I wonder, how these authors would have had the courage to publish their work if they had chosen the internet world as a test balloon.

Wave feedback that is less than glowing in front of them and most of them will explode into screeching hissyfits and/or pity-begging, attention-whoring parties, complete with suicide threats.

Vive la cliché, WF. I think SV (scavenger/vulture type) and the MS (MarySue type) are similar: both parties dig moats, bring up their weapons and react instinctively like a Pawlow dog => full of prejudices, assumptions, enemy archetypes in 3D and technicolour. So, both partes in full combat are too predictable, just spooling down a ritual. And then, where is the point? Just another battle, but no changes, see?

Last thought => you consider it important to grow a skin. Have you ever thought about this: a skin, hard, protective and similar to a reptile (metaphor not comparison) => doesn't this turn into a full-plate armour with restrictions then? How can creativity and imagination grow? I'd find that very difficult. Just an idea => imagine you would start to write (at your young age) - and start with a cliché char (MS) because you don't know another way to express your imagination. Why not encourage to enfold this char? As suggestions? Or is the SV club so exclusive that only an elite may enter this world? Initiation ceremonies have to deal with fire, poison and only a handful of survivors are allowed to touch the holy grail of literature? And if so - how can this elite survive? Without followers? Without adepts?

No fresh blood, no new ideas - gee, this would be a sterile literate world, where only formalistic structure thrives - bloodless chars, androids, perfect in formalisms (grammar/spelling) - no soul, no humour? BTW, I miss something => the robot MS, a cliche as well and not restricted to the SF section. A char with carefully designed flaws, intellectual at all times, without the attributes of Spock - death of imagination and creativity - bloodless, lifeless - ok, but perfect in an artificial manner.

Keep your opinion that I meant SV as a personal insult - but if you can => try to follow this pic that lead me to giving the name:
A corpse on the ground (story plot/MS char introduced to public) a flock of vultures, a herd of scavengers prowling towards it. Jumping on it, tearing out bits and pieces, ripping it apart, flinging intestines away, battling over the remnants, dragging flesh away, excrementing. The combat is over, the SV are saturated, they go away, bellies are overfull (in need of a bucket). The MS author tries to defend her work in a similar manner (you described that in your post).

Camera back to the former corpse => everything is scattered and shattered, if the author is lucky, the bones (story core) are still there. Ok, if the author has a skin, she might pick them up and build up again - some might have lost courage at the sight of this mess. WHO knows, if this corpse might not have been an uncut gem? Just in need of polish with patience and care? WHO knows, if the author might not have freely cut away parts that were not good and built up differently? Added variations? Aided by those who saw more than a simple MS plot?

Thank you for the links <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> - I'll try them out, maybe I find a new constructive approach there, would be a nice change.

Kiya <still laughing at WF as a life teacher> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - and though very tempted, refrains from stroking the puppy's head>

Last edited by kiya; 23/08/04 05:27 PM.