Nono, not acoustic => books written by autists. (Autisten, Autismus, Glance - wie in Rainman) - does it ring a bell: Asperger Syndrome maybe?

Could it be you went to amazon and found Axel Brauns on CD? Nono, I mean real books, paper and print. Autists are people who have retired from the world you and I know, or have never entered it. They live in a world of their own.

http://www.autismus.de/autismus/frm_autismus.htm

here, a link for you, in German. Autists are highly specialised individuals, some are mathematical geniuses, others communicate in strange paintings and drawings, some are retarded, due to our dualism to define what is "normal" - and some, very few are able to transport and describe their world in words. But not in words and usage as we know - look at the word "Buntschatten". You know, it doesn't exist in our language - it combines something that is impossible in RL, the RL we know. Colour+shadow. I wouldn't know how to translate his book - as he defined the words we know in a totally new manner, created new words. And still, this word has a strange, fascinating beauty for me, maybe transported as "rainbow shadows"? Or "shadow rainbows"?

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And to create an own and original, though deviating form would IMO still require the knowledge of the norm. To ME (!), there is a difference between purposefully and in full knowledge ignoring the normal form in order to make a point, to create a certain feeling or even simply to try versus plain ignorance.

The interesting thing with autists is this => they do not know the norm, Glance. They are not able to accept our norms. Birger Sellin was a phenomenon when he started to write, in a phonetical manner - using strange associations.

Yes, it's called a mental disorder - no wonder, we have to determine norms and rules about what is normal, hm? We, the "healthy" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />

Another thing: Remember the war that lasted 30 yrs in Western Europe? (30jšhriger Krieg) Remember how the German language was at the ground then? Too many foreign conquerors had invaded this land, language was a mixture out of French, English, Swedish, kitchen-Latin etc. Remember the founding of a society to save and clean the German language? Let alone the last spelling reform a few yrs ago, changing grammar as well - and will be changed if protests go on? So... what is proper grammar/spelling/etc.? Where does carelessness start - or when is creativity a tool to change language formalism?

Ever tried Dada poetry and literature in German? (okok, I'm becoming cruel now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> ) Take a lot of books out of the 70es, where writing in capital letters became unmodern - run-ons were hip, on the dot and in <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> Try books written by Jelinek out of that time... but be prepared feel your nails roll up <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> - hey... and what about Peter Handke? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" /> No, certainly you don't have to like them. I'm just naming examples where the German language was twisted, changed - a try to change.


I agree about ignorance and carelessness the way you meant it (not bothering to write correctly) - but in this case (link), I don't agree about ignorance due to formalistic tyranny. And I will give you an example - you will have to take the page before it as well:

Please, read the Quezi posts from 32842 on, 32851, 32891, 32897, 32907, click here reading the rest is up to you - as I was offended by the "GrammarNazi" expression she used.

This member writes in a phonetical manner and explains why he does it. Or, as HEF put it, compares music to speech. I found Quezi's post difficult to read, but he put thinking into it, he chose an individual way, he even explained. I call this creativity. Of course, you could say: "in order to read/understand I would have preferred proper grammar/spelling etc". But I didn't. I accepted his choice and mumbled his posts slowly under my breath - I understood the core. I not only understood, I was fascinated. It's a pity, Quezi didn't write more. In case you wonder about formalistic tyranny => you can read the responses, specially of our young literate, WF (calling herself an "aspiring writer" in that thread). Well, and the content of what he was trying to say, got lost along the way, formalism killed it IMO.

Pity, in my case - I was deprived of learning more, I could not follow his invitation into his world of phonetical language - I did not care for the Diablo discussion, but I was fascinated about the way he wrote. I only have these few posts - and still have the feeling of loss at times <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" /> I wish, I had spoken up at that time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /> - yeah, I'm probably weird, I take every opportunity to join an invitation to play with language - as I take language: a living tool, not part of the Ten Commandments.


Kiya

PS. 1956? Yep, a good year, my birth one as well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

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