Originally Posted by kanisatha
Originally Posted by Archaven
i genuinely never heard or came across complains about RTwP more than a decade ago about Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate 2 at all. praises of how good of it is everywhere.. and now after DOS2 became a success.. out ouf sudden every where scream BG suxs because it's RTwP. anything else doesn't matter because it's RTwP. anything RTwP and it's not D&D.

Yes very much this. The problem really is not RTwP v. TB or BG3. The problem is that in recent years (hasn't always been this way) TB fans have become purists, some even fanatics, where it is not just that they prefer TB but that they insist and demand that every single RPG made be TB and that RTwP fans should not get any games of their preference. It is a form of "TB superiority." Whereas a RTwP fan will still be open to playing a TB RPG, the modern-day TB fans will not only refuse to play a RTwP game but will actively boycott and wage a war against any RPG that is RTwP (TB fan reactions toward the PoE and Pathfinder games being excellent examples). And of course once this keeps happening again and again for some years, it is inevitable that the RTwP fanbase will eventually retaliate in kind.

Generalizations, especially about a large group of people, are usually just wrong (to say the least). Speaking for myself, as one who prefers TB, I played a few RTwP RPGs over the past twenty years, but mostly just RT RPGs (like MMOs and Skyrim) and never once had a thought about TB. TB just seemed to drop from existence. I'm not saying they didn't exist; I just didn't know about them (again, mostly because with EQ and Asheron's Call, I moved away isometric type RPGs).

After playing DOS2, I was reminded of what I had been missing. It took me a year after DOS2 was released to play it. I saw it lauded in every review, but I just couldn't return to 90s gaming (as I saw it). But when I read a review that said DOS2 was as close to the D&D table top experience any game had ever been able to deliver, I decided to give a try. It did not disappoint.

I liked DOA (though I played it without any companions), and I liked ME1 & 2, so I can't say I hate RTwP. But after playing DOS2 and then trying DAI, I don't know how I ever did it. I hated DAI. TB for me is so much better than RTwP. I went from TB to RTwP when going from old school games like Pool of Radiance to BG1, probably because it was new and it was the D&D game that was given to us. But having now had a good sample of both, TB is where it's at for me.