Originally Posted by N7Greenfire

Op said that larien never talked about changing the rules, that is false, you are the one creating strawman

Read the full quote... it talks about advantage and surface interactions too, larien layed it all on the table


A one-sentence marketing blurb - which is already outdated - is not "laying it all on the table".


Originally Posted by N7Greenfire

Based does not mean faithfull to.

The Jackson lord of the rings films are based on the books, but are not a 1 to 1 adaptation


This is a bad strawman argument. You are pretending that the ONLY reason people are complaining is because it is not an exact 1:1 copy of the 5e rules, and you are deliberately ignoring all the arguments explaining, in depth and detail, why a lot of the rule changes are bad for game balance. You are offering no defense for the changes, you are not explaining how the changes are improvements to the game, you are just pretending that people are just mindlessly raging for no reason whatsoever. Taking that tactic gives you ZERO credibility.

It's also ridiculous to focus on the "based on" part of "based on the 5e ruleset" as a loophole which means they can change anything and everything. I mean, they could change anything and everything, but that's called misleading advertising, and misleading advertising is not a good way to retain repeat customers. It's also an old quote because the game no longer features team-based initiative.

You don't have any worthwhile arguments to contribute to the discussion.


Originally Posted by Rhobar121
So much for false advertisement. From the beginning they said what this game has to be.


No, this is not what the game "has to be". If this is just what the game "has to be", then they could simply save themselves the hassle and not have any Early Access at all and keep the game under wraps until the full release, because that is what the game "has to be".

Larian supposedly does Early Access so players can tell them what parts of their design are good, what parts are bad, what could be tweaked, or changed, or improved for a better experience. That's why people saying that their changes to the rules are bad and are not lending themselves to a good experience are offering detailed explanations and reasoning for why they believe that to be the case.

You are not offering any defense or reasoning for why the changes should stay the way they are. Solasta has shown that the idea that 5e rules aren't fun or workable in videogame format without massive changes is false. The problem is not the 5e rules, but Larian's lack of faith in their own ability to make a fun game using 5e rules insted of the ones they had success with in the past.