Originally Posted by Rieline
I really really don't think my post was offensive for some or never meant to be. I also said in one of the pervious post in part i agree with the OP i also stated that elves in BG3 looks like too much human so for me would be a problem if they were too much caucasian to start with.

I would also inform the OP that there are elves with the features she is looking for. Wild Elves Wood Elves is an example. The whole point of arguing i made is that even in 5th edition elf still follow the same facial tracts of the past edition (cut of the eyes and nose) and contrary on what people believe Elves in FR have of different races with different tracts skin colour eyes colour hair colour and is often used as distinguish them from one on another.

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Diversity is indeed a strenght but amalgamate every race to follow Human Ethnicity does not create diversity in fact the opposite of it. Why a race that has nothing to do with humans have to share human ethnicy? For what? When is stated and is still in vigour what define tracts have? I answer for you no reason at all because when you make everything similiar you don't create diversity you kill it.

I am also here to advocate elves are looking too much human by D&D standardt you counter everything i said with vague statements and retcons happened different edition but while retcons happens the appearance of the elves was never retconned at all.

And again the move you remove what makes a race distinct for the sake of inclusion and make everyone happy is the moment you kill what you are supposed to support "Diversity" for nothing can be different if everything look the same.

I also invite you to understand i am not criticism the OP far from it i can understand perfectly of she feels if she as a player would come to me and express her view like she did on the forum i would answer her:

"Well about elves the ones you are looking for and most likely you would like to play would be Wood Elf or Wild Elf. I would suggest the Wood Elf they even have an interesting background. If that dosn't cut it for you in that case we could move in a homebrew setting so you have the freedom to decide how elves will look like"

Is that simple there is no need to be outraged or offended when offense was not brought in the first place. I do play a lot of different character in my pen and paper session. The conception of elves based on caucasian people comes mostly from Tolkien not D&D. D&D elves may be similiar to tolkien however they are also different.

Elves don't have to resemble humans again is a whole different race i never spoken about cheecks at all in fact i was talking about eyes shape and nose more than cheek.

And again if you did read my answer you know that i would remake the whole head of elves and yes even npcs because Larian potrayal of elves is quite distant from the source material so yes. The fact they appear too much Caucasian or too much Human is a issue to me. Is not like i said the elves must be caucasian i said elves should be elves.

Elves in forgotten realms have not only white skin. Again check what i written. Wild elf. Wood elf. Those are two elven races of the Forgotten Realms that have not white skin.

"Bucket says that African facial features on elves has no "justification in the lore". It also has no explicit CONTRADICTION in the lore, either. We know there are places in Faerun where African-featured people exist (Durpar, Turmish, Mulhorand, Chult, etc.), so is it not possible that there are also elves in those places, who look as similar to the humans of their region as the "regular" elves where the "regular" people live do? If you saw an African-featured elf on the Sword Coast, could you really not just make the extremely easy mental leap of, "Oh, I guess she comes from a faraway land" or similar?"

Again elves are not human if they have mixed genes they are Half Elf. Half elf can of what ethnicy you wish for as one of those parents are human. You are right Faerun have different races when it comes to humans.. ((I love campaigns in Calimshan,Mulhorand.Thay,Rashemen)) but again... Elves are not humans nor are related with humans this is important to understand. If an Elf would have a Human companion and an offspring the offspring will be Half Elf and would retain some Elven distinct feature plus the feature of the other parent.

Now i can maybe see you were warmed up by my answer in the pervious post but i grant to you nothing malicious was intended when it was written. I do enjoy the pictures that were posted however the Ethnicy of them is inrelevant is the features of them that are not elven at all. Mainly the eye shape and the nose that are human shaped and not elvish shaped.((elves have even a slightly elongated skull this is why theyr nose appear longer.)



Yeah, Rieline, It's fine. I don't think you're being hostile, or malicious, or offensive (at least not overtly so), or racist, or a bad person. What I think you MIGHT be being, is intellectually dishonest. But I can't read your mind, so I could be wrong. And even if you are, I'm sure you're not doing it on purpose. People fail to see their own biases all the time, people unknowingly make specious claims to support what they want to be true all the time. It doesn't make you The Enemy.

It's not your opinions that I object to, it's just the poor quality of your arguments for them.

But I've said my piece, so at this point I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you. Feel free to continue repeating your same points over and over, or whatever you want to do. I ain't mad at ya.