Originally Posted by Dexai
Originally Posted by Firesnakearies
Originally Posted by alice_ashpool
Seriously. Scrap gnomes, does anyone actually play them? Instead of gnomes concentrate on something players ACTUALLY like: elf subraces.

Finally, we get an unequivocally RIGHT suggestion. This deserves a consulting fee paid by Larian, that's how fundamentally correct it is. Some unfortunate people will say, "but I like playing gnomes", but this is, sadly, just Stockholm Syndrome brought about by those irresponsible creators who have been violently foisting gnome-related content upon us all for so long. Rise up! Cast off the chains of the gnomocracy! We shall be free!

As to the topic, I think the origins are a good thing. I may or may not play one, but I know that lots of other people WILL play one. Maybe not many of the Very Small Group of players that post on forums, that specific niche group of hardcore RPGers who care more than is healthy about the minutiae of RPG design, will use this feature. But definitely plenty of the Very Large Group of general/casual gamers who make up the bulk of the customer base (and never read or post on forums or subreddits for the game) will.

But I've noticed that most people around here tend to forget that the Very Large Group exists, or perhaps they just don't matter? Despite the fact that it's their money which mostly funds the existence of these games. Even if 9 out of 10 people here agree on something, that's still peanuts compared to the whole audience of the game. And what WE want, we weirdos, we D&D nerds, we crazy obsessives, we highly opinionated niche fans, is not necessarily (and is often the opposite of) what the Very Large Group enjoys. For every one person here who hates barrelmancy, there are 100+ people who think that shit is hilarious, fun, and/or awesome.

Even when making their own character, a large percentage of general/casual gamers out there don't even customize things like skills, stats, or spell selections. They just take the defaults. They just pick a race and class, set up their appearance, and call it a day. They don't know what that other stuff means, or does, and they don't really care. They just want to get in and play.

Maybe don't demand that people speak for everybody else's opinion rather than their own. People can only give their own feedback.

Originally Posted by Firesnakearies
The preponderance of Tavs show that a lot of people don't even care to NAME their character.

I would hazard a guess that more than anything else this speaks of the awkward positioning of the name field in the UI.

Really coming after me today, eh Dexai? That's fine, I know that I have a tendency to rile people up with some of my posts.

If you could just show me where in my post I demanded something, that would be great. I can't find it.

And of course people should give their own feedback, and express their personal desires for the game. I mean, that's what this place is for, right? As I've said about 500 other times on various threads, it's not the opinion I object to, it's the manner of argument about it.

If someone says, "Hey I think the game would be a lot more fun if they get rid of origin characters!" I'm not going to argue with that. I mean, I might express my own, contrary, opinion, but I'm not going to try to take their post apart like I sometimes do.

Mostly I get a bee in my bonnet over hyperbole and statements of This Is Absolutely So about things which are, fundamentally, matters of opinion. I try to remind people that there is, in fact, more than one way to think about these topics. So when people say things like "this is a USELESS feature" or "this is a WASTE of developers' time" or "this doesn't matter at all" or "there's NO reason to add that" or "romances add NOTHING to the game" or "this isn't D&D at all" or "this is just Divinity 3" or "this has NOTHING to do with Baldur's Gate" or the like, I think, "Huh, that's pretty absolutist. This person thinks that their personal perspective and/or desire on this matter is the One True Way. They are, through their very hyperbolic phrasing, essentially declaring that everyone who thinks otherwise either doesn't exist, or doesn't matter. I don't like that."

Basically, not everything is for you. (By you, I mean, myself and everyone else here.) Some things are for other people, and some of those other people aren't even speaking up about it. Something which is for other people is not useless, it's just not for you.

Oh, but I think you're right about the name thing.

Last edited by Firesnakearies; 06/12/20 01:40 PM.