Larian Studios Forums General Chat RPG Chat KOTOR--a different sort of question

By the way, did you guys know that "kotor" in my mother tounge (Indonesian/Bahasa) means dirty? Actually, I feel a bit uncomfortable referring to the game as KotOR because it's definitely not a "kotor" game! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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I know the feeling. We have a public radio station where I live whose website is www.***.org; apparently *** is a bad word in German or Dutch because one day I typed www.***.com by error and got a German or Dutch porn site.

Star Trek MMOG on the way--release date is 2007.
http://www.perpetual.com/pages/news.html

Yet another game added to my list. But for those of you who think it's cheap in stores, it isn't in Sweden. Checked the price at Tradition.se (my favorite store BTW) and it was 499 kr (part with 8 for dollars, part with 9 for euro). That's expencive, espessially concidering the game is allmost 2 years old.
And now something completely different:
A questino on BG2. Many pepole talks about it as one of the greatest RPG's ever. I've never been more than close to trying it, since I played the first game, and didn't like it. Is there a difference in BG2 comparred to the first game that will make it worth playing? Just curious.

Übereil

Every coin got two sides...games got it too, good and bad...

There is no movie/song/game/etc.. that you can find perfect in all aspects. Some things in it you like, some thing not. That goes for all...you can't please everybody, I can't, and gamemakers can't do that either.

If you all like RPG and never tried good old Fallout series...try it...you won't regret it. It is not perfect (almost perfect <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />) but it's good, graphic is quite old for todays standard but it got reply value.

If you still thinks that I babling nonsense <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />, I'am...but try to install it and reply it again or try it for the first time...

So far, best RPG every...at least for me.

Good hunting everyone! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ROFL.gif" alt="" />

Acually, Fallout (2) was the first RPG I palyed ever! It really set the standard what a RPG is supposed to be for me (on the onther hand, I had to revalue the future aspect...). I love every part of it (possibly the only aspect of the first game is that the Alienblaster is so extremely hard to find <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />! On the other hand, you don't really need it).

Übereil

BGII has a ton of party member interaction in the single player game.

The story is much stronger and there are even romances in the game for the guys and girls alike.

There are tons and tons of fan created Mods for BGII that add flavor for almost any player’s interest.

BGII is driven by D&D/AD&D 2E rules.

Plus, the cost of BGII-SoA/ToB is dirt cheap nowadays versus the past.

Personally, I liked BG-ToTSC, but I never go back to it; however,
I’ve played BGII-SoA/ToB over and over and over and over again,
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I loved KoTOR.

It was just like being part of a real Star Wars movie. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />
It is one of the absolute best RPG’s I have ever played.

Sadly, once you’ve played it once or twice
it’s lost most of its replay value. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

Other than that it’s a must buy in my book. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

In my book it's a must-wish-for-christmaspresent <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />.

Übereil

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Ohhhhh, Christmas!!!

I wanna Audi TT quattro <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Sorry all, but I couldn't help myself. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

[quote]"Non-linearity" is bloody overrated. As DATD said, sure, Morrowind is non-linear, but it doesn't have much of a story, either. If I must trade a focal story for non-linearity, then give me a relatively linear game any time.

If you want a linear RPG why not just play platform games instead like Jak and Daxter?? No non-linear twists and turns is what sets Rpg,s apart from any other genere


I I love, love, love KotOR. It redeemed Bioware in my eyes.

It redeemed Bioware?? How so??If there going to go back to making linear games then they should just start putting out Platformers.



and made me pick up HotU (which, while no match for KotOR,

How so?? Hotu far surpasses KOTOR in about every category.KOTOR to me was nothing but a fedex marathon of boring missions, with a lame kiddy storyline and never felt for any of the charachters sounds to me like you were blinded by the hype.I also seen someone comment on KOTOR being the next BG i just dont see why people who claim to be rpg gamers could think so highly of KOTOR.RPG games are for gamers who want a deeper gaming experience, and KOTOR was a game that was no deeper then a game such as zelda for instance ,so what you got to make a few decisions wow im impressed.

Because I don't want stupid cartoon characters grabbing 'power-ups' every 5 seconds.

I see KotOR as linear with some non-linearity. That's pretty much irrelevant to me anyway. Its the STORYLINE that is much more impressive than HotU. Every character has a tale of woe which is actually quite readable. I fast forward through most of the NWN character stories as they just seem rather ordinary.
The exeptions I guess would be Aribeth's and Valen's tales. I find teiflings interesting though.



You've got to be sh*tting me. I remember maybe one or 2 missions I would consider 'fedex'.



Bombarding a planet is 'lame kiddy stuff'? Hate to see what you consider 'adult'. I guess I'm still blinded by the hype after 6 months then...

Boy Hawk, your words sound awfully angry.

You do know this is the Larian forum and not the Bioware forum right?
The people here are a lot nicer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Welcome aboard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

Im not angry if i came off as such i apologize. i was just questioning what was so wonderful about the game that i never seen.I honestly do not know what you were playing womble but i got 3 fed-ex missions within the first 15 minutes of gameplay.Im not saying its a horrid game but coming from the developers of BG and NWN its a huge let down.I would even say its the most overrated game of all time outside Diablo 1 and 2.The level design was boring made even more boring by the weak combat system.The voice acting was a mixed bag some good and some bad.But everyone said the same thing unless it was a target charecter, and for a game this small they could have thrown in more variety.

The graphics were decent enough nothing great but then again i like gameplay over graphics anyday but this game failed in that aspect.Lets talk about charachter development.It was minimal at best Knowwhere near the depth of NWN or BG 2.If story is all you want in a game then buy a book.I dont want to pay $50 for a book when i can buy a good book for $5.Maybe i ask for to much but after playing games like Planescape and BG maybe ive been spoiled.I do think KOTOR came out at the right time though, because if it came out any other year it wouldnt have come anywhere near game of the year.It was a fairly weak year for rpg,s.I however thoght Gothic 2 was much better then KOTOR.

Yeeeessss, we're just not going to get along I can see it now. The diablo series were never RPGs, they never really claimed to be as such. They were action, which they provided in spades and was of excellent quality.

What do you consider a fedex quest? To me its 'go fetch this thing from there to here' right?

On Taris I think I had one of these, i.e. get the engine prototype. The rest you pretty much did as you went along. These were action with the odd puzzle thrown in. I'll have to refresh my memory of the game but I'm pretty sure that was it. Maybe you can help me?

So I'm basically saying your talking out of where the sun don't shine on that one.

Hmmmm, NWN, BG and BG2 all had a buttload of 'fetch x to y' quests. Any thoughts on those?

Basically if you don't like something just say it. Don't make up fictional reasons for the game not being up to your specs. I personally hated PST, BG and BG2. Falling asleep at your PC ain't my idea of fun. I pick RPG's that include action as that keeps me interested. Killing monsters, leveling up, the usual stuff. Designing kickass characters is my speciality, not doing some lazy git's fetch and carry work! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

But I digress...

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Kyra_Ny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/delight.gif" alt="" />

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Yeeeessss, we're just not going to get along I can see it now. The diablo series were never RPGs, they never really claimed to be as such. They were action, which they provided in spades and was of excellent quality.

They never really claimed to be RPG,S??Look at every review ever written for Diablo its either in an RPG category or Action/RPG.You talk about boring yet you found it fun to go in room after room with 100 enemies, and do nothing but click,click,click.I agree they are not RPG,S but they are classified as such.


Hmmmm, NWN, BG and BG2 all had a buttload of 'fetch x to y' quests. Any thoughts on those?

Ya i do have a comment BG AND BG 2 you were atleast moving along nicely enough to where you didnt have to be stuck in a city for any longer then you wanted to be, and i got really tired of running back and forth through taris. the whole city of taris was boring and within 45 min you see the whole thing including the lower and undercities but yet you were stuck there for hours going through the same corridors for different reasons im sorry but that = boring.

Basically if you don't like something just say it. Don't make up fictional reasons for the game not being up to your specs. I personally hated PST, BG and BG2. Falling asleep at your PC ain't my idea of fun. I pick RPG's that include action as that keeps me interested. Killing monsters, leveling up, the usual stuff. Designing kickass characters is my speciality, not doing some lazy git's fetch and carry work! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

So now its fictional that i dont like KOTOR??Just because you like it doesnt mean everyone does.I could see why someone wouldnt like Plansecape as there is alot of text, and sometimes over the top.I prefer depth in an RPG in which KOTOR isnt anywhere close to BG or Planescape, but im sure you will deny that to.Is KOTOR a decent game?? yes should it have gotten game of the year?? No not even close.But its my opinion and im sure this arguement could go on for a long time but theres really no sense to it.I still really havent gotten from you why you feel its worthy of GOTY.

You on crack or something? Did you ever find the 'transit back' button?

Ok, the taris missions. Most areas involved going around once or twice at the most. Unless you're a complete idiot.
Basically, you go to the surface bar, get info about the undercity. Find out how to get a uniform, get one. Go down to the undercity, find the swoop gang, get main quest. Go through the tunnels (no backtracking at all yet), find the wook, get into enemy base, kill 'em all, grab engine bit. (backtrack here if you go evil)
Do the silly race bit, rescue wench, go meet everyone. Go to imperial base, kill 'em all, get codes, backtrack again (oooo 2 times) and get into bounty-hunter's club. Nick his ship, bugger off, end of first chapter.

I count 2 quests of the fedex nature, 2 backtracks, 2 hours at the most to play most of the missions involved. In BG2 you're stuck in the first dungeon for that length of time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Boring? For me not really, needs more content possibly...

You can't honestly base that argument on 'too many fedex quests blah blah blah' if there are only 2 or 3? Can you?

Say you don't like it, fine. Don't come up with some baseless argument with nothing to back it up.

Oh, could you NOT put a fricking quote box around everything? Bugs the crap out of me.

Try sentances too, they work.

Try sentances too, they work. [/quote]


Try sentances?? Try learning how to spell before you cut on someones grammar <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />