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I think that when wielded with both hands - all longswords should count as a finesse weapon. Its not a very heavy weapon, and when held in both hands its quite easy to handle for an average person. We already have a few, but not many, longswords that are finesse. All fighters start with a longsword, even if they are DEX based.

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That may all be true, butyou have to remember that making weapons finesse-based is about balance as much as realism. If you make longswords dexterity-based, then suddenly using daggers and shortswords becomes harder to justify. It's also a bit more complicated than is strictly necessary.

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
That may all be true, butyou have to remember that making weapons finesse-based is about balance as much as realism. If you make longswords dexterity-based, then suddenly using daggers and shortswords becomes harder to justify. It's also a bit more complicated than is strictly necessary.

Not everyone goes into meta gaming. I would still use daggers on my rogue, because it just fits her better roleplay wise. Hell, I gave my cleric more charisma than she needed... for roleplay reasons.

As for OP, I'm all for it. I prefer longswords than 2h swords personally.


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Take it to WotC.

You have at least two Finesse Longswords in the game anyway. You can grab one at lvl 3, max 4.

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I think its a reasonable change. It should be finesse only when handed with both hands. You are missing out on a shield for more ac or an offhand weapon for extra attack. Strength character will do more damage with real two handers. And people underestimate strength for pushing enemies in combat.

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The thing is that the two finesse longswords are only finesse because they're connected to Corellon Larethian ([Larethian's Wrath]) and Eilistraee ([Phalar Aluve]), who as Elven deities are exquisitely graceful with their blades that it ends up looking like a dance.

So although any regular Joe can swing a longsword, they would be doing it brutishly/crudely without any grace, which is why these are the only two finesse longswords (to illustrate elven grace).

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Originally Posted by Crimsomrider
The thing is that the two finesse longswords are only finesse because they're connected to Corellon Larethian ([Larethian's Wrath]) and Eilistraee ([Phalar Aluve]), who as Elven deities are exquisitely graceful with their blades that it ends up looking like a dance.

So although any regular Joe can swing a longsword, they would be doing it brutishly/crudely without any grace, which is why these are the only two finesse longswords (to illustrate elven grace).
This.
And players can give those blades to Body Type 3 and 4 Elves to illustrate Elven grace even further ...

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Originally Posted by ValkyrieN7
Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
That may all be true, butyou have to remember that making weapons finesse-based is about balance as much as realism. If you make longswords dexterity-based, then suddenly using daggers and shortswords becomes harder to justify. It's also a bit more complicated than is strictly necessary.

Not everyone goes into meta gaming. I would still use daggers on my rogue, because it just fits her better roleplay wise. Hell, I gave my cleric more charisma than she needed... for roleplay reasons.

As for OP, I'm all for it. I prefer longswords than 2h swords personally.

I don't think it would be a metagame thing. Sure you can always choose a less optimale choice for roleplay reasons, but the boost that making a longsword finesse when wielded two-handed would simply make it too good a choice. It would push it to the point where players would have to ask "why shouldn't I use it" rather than "why should I use it?" Not every rogue or dexterity based fighter is going to have a roleplay reason to not use a longsword, and for those characters that don't have a self-imposed reason not to use them, then their weapon choice suddenly has a clear right answer, one that can easily be intuited by anyone just looking at the stats. That isn't metagaming, that's just... playing the game.

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Once again - you sacrificing the option to have a shield for ac or an offhand weapon for extra attack. Its not op. It does less damage then a greatsword or a greataxe would do on a strength character.

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a slashing D8 finesse weapon would be great...

A sidesword, or a Saber would fill that niche.


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