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Ouch, Byblos, I disagree highly. The Celts were barbarians out of the Roman point of view - so a strongly limited hostile view - coming out of the narrow-minded arrogance of the successor, believing only his point of view and laws are correct.

http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/index.php?title=Barbarian

here, origin of the word <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

And the downfall of the Roman Empire was due to more than being split up. This empire had simply outlived itself - the natural way of history for all large empires. Didn't your history teacher teach you this? Time was over for them - as time will be over for all empires. They're made to rise, develop and outlive themselves - sink and lose everything.

We'll see in a mere 500 yrs what will happen to the world order we know now - wouldn't wonder if Europe/USA would share the same fate as the celts and Romans - and sink back into unimportance.

Wow what an ignorant comment Byblos.

Just because they were different than what was considered "civilised" does not mean they were bad or evil.

The celts brought us almost every major holiday as well as a beautiful artistic element not to mention folk lore, music and traditions.

Look up the word barbarian, doesnt it mean incivilied nomadic people? isnt that exactly whet they were?

Theyw ere evil because they love to rape and kill innocent people and that is hwy I hate them and If i had the chance I would slaughter them all.
And now of course some dick head is going to say "well duh that makes you as just as bad as them" well all of you know it alls with your Your arrogant because you called the barbarians barbaric, and I know more about history then you so I will just have to say everything I know to prove it, Well. [nocando] you, [nocando] this place and [nocando] you all.

Romans did the same - how many villages and settlements did they burn down? How many slaves did they make? How many were crucified? Burned? Slaughtered in the Colosseum? If they were "civilized" - then only in a very effective "civilized" way to perfectionize murder.
Kiya

Not all were nomads - Romans killed "barbaric" settlements as well. And if you would look up my link => the Ancient Chinese considered all Europeans as barbaric - including those who were settlers and lived in cities. So, the original meaning was changed very quickly. "Barbaric" is simply a way to differ between those who belong to the same race, tribe, empire etc. and those not. And I'm sure, the Greek considered the Romans as highly barbaric, as they didn't show interest for the Ancient Greek style.

See? Barbaric is relative <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> - young Barbarian warrior Byblos <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

deleted because of very offensive language...

deleted because of very offensive language...

Is there a way to express what you want to say without insulting?
Kiya <amused>



There you are - taken out of the link I gave => see? the original meaning? and it was not written by me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

ha!!!!

i chose to stop responding to byblos (earlier in the thread) because he's shown himself to be incapable of intelligent statements
or even defending the stupid ones.

if you choose to debate him, please be sure to stick to a single contention. byblos will spend all his time back-peddling, looking
for the one statement he can defend, to the total disregard of all other contentions. you may make eight valid points, he'll
respond to one. it would appear byblos suffers from the ostrich syndrome 'if i can't see it, it doesn't exist'.

byblos has simply shown himself to be much like the neighborhood bully. he just has to be right. and when he can't defend his
statements, he'll resort to personal attacks and asinine comments. hint: yelling louder (and swearing) doesn't make you right.
and don't forget - he has a greater command of the english language than anyone else here, all the while being an expert
swordsman and a history professor to boot!

seriously though, i doubt even byblos believes half of what he says. he simply throws stuff out in an attempt to stir it up.
somehow he finds this satisfying.
one is left with the impression there is a lot of hatred and anger within the young man. i hope he finds peace one day.

last observation: were byblos to live in the united states, he'd live in idaho. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

PS still want to defend him hande?

If nobody uses a certain idea, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily a bad idea. Somebody has to be the first after all.
And no, it's not because an idea is known and not being used that it's a bad idea. You just need to find the right way to use it and to train people to do it.
First example I can think of: boolean algebra (based on a paper published in 1854), which is now the base of computer logic, did not really have a relevant application at that time.

Usually, what people don't understand they don't grow fond of. They even grow to hate it because they don't understand how another culture works.
Therefore the original meaning of 'foreign' can rapidly change into a more hostile interpretation.
But, if you're going to refer to 'barbarians' five or more centuries ago, you need to take into account what the word meant then, and not what it means now.

Secondly, it is now and will always be the case that the people who conquer a land or are now the current rulers that write the history books. History books are not objective, because the people who write them are not objective. They look upon certain people and/or events from their own cultural background and/or their own prejudices.

If you're going on about "raping and killing innocent people" you really should investigate the conquest of South America by the spanish/portuguese. It was one of the biggest genocides in the entire known history. Yet we do not consider the spanish or the portuguese barbarians. Why? Because they won. It's as simple as that. They won, and therefore the cultures they destroyed were considered inferior and it was not that big a deal that they were wiped out.

"Killing innocent people"
If you're going on about slaughtering an entire race based on the actions of certain individuals, that's just racism and you will be slaying innocents yourself. You can only judge an individual's behaviour, not the behaviour of an entire race. Everybody's different and nobody should be judged depending on their country, origins or their ancestors.

I though we were talking about dual-weapons? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />

From a good suggestion to have the option of 2 weapons in a game, to a defenition page, to a alcohol information sheet, to a testosterone fight with an entity that is so narrow minded it can look through a keyhole with both eyes at once, to an insult competition, to the grand exit, to the return, to history lessons, to meanings of words......

(I am on everyone's but one side), this has been fun, informative, interesting, and lots of other amusing things too.....

But i think by now, we should just open a poll, to see who would like dual weapons in the game and who wont.... that way, one narrow minded entity will not be much more than a figure on a % listing.

It's not just about yay or nay. What are the posibilities and implcations. Nothing's so black and white that you can simply vote on it. Of course a lot of things in life come down to that, otherwise we'd never get anywhere.

I really have to stop killing my own arguements...

I realise your not a big fan of fantasy, Byblos, but fighting in such a fantastical way would make sense in a fantasy world. The game is about fun more than anything. People have fun watching the impossible and the incredible like The Matrix and Jackie Chan. They'd love to be a part of that.

Also curios, Byblos, what's your opinion on science fiction, proposing ideas that have yet to come, not necessarily fantasy?

I watched the matrix and enjoyed it but the secod one with all the sex made me puke....

I feel as though DD is the REAL fantasy games, all of the pain and suffering of the Chars, and the real life emotions and struggles unlike LOTR or most fantasy things where its save the whole world and kill the evil monster, this is so much more deep and real. Elves and imps dont change that but taking away the laws of physics would.

DD has even been able to stir my emotion on quite a few occasions where I was actually felling angrr towards a certain character and also fealt really sad for another.
I have anger for Coragon and the other guy who are invovled with the wife beating and adultery and I feel really bad for Sara the plague victim so I was sure to cure her first.
But if you make it too fantasy like I wont have these emotions, Morrowind the Lord of videogames didnt even cause as much emotion as this.