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Out of curiosity - who among you recently bought or is planning on buying a next gen console (Xbox360 or PS3) ?
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I don't, nor am I planning on buying one. Just bought a new computer though.
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I own an Xbox and Xbox360. Actually I find myself using them more frequently to play games than I use my PC. There are several reasons for that, but the most important one is that they are more convenient to use.
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I own a SEGA Mega Drive. Will you release your next RPG to SEGA? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
I payed 20000 kr (2000 euro) to play games on my computer, so I'm sticking to it (there's not many games I miss anyway).
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I don't own one, and I won't buy one.
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I might buy a ps3 when it gets cheaper (or when I get richer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)
but im pretty sure I won't be buying one to play RPGs since I like the keyboard/mouse controls better for RPGs. imo consoles are better for games like GTA, racing games, games like tony hawk,... but RPGs (and strategy games) I prefer playing on a PC
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i'm planning on buying an X360 in the next couple of months (if I don't get it for new years <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />)
And most likely I'll use it more than my 3y old laptop which can hardly run any game at all.
With a console you'll at least have the assurance that you can play the games you buy and that you won't have to buy a new one in 2-3 years. consoles are SO much cheaper than PC's.
I think PC gaming is over for me
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No Intention to buy a next gen console, but my preference goes to the Wii if i would ever buy one.
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PS2 maybe one day, but not soon.
My advice would be to take a look (and maybe even ask the question) at RPGDot and RPGWatch, too.
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I am pretty sure that I will buy a PS3... but not in the next months I guess because it's not available here and if it will be available, it will cost more than I would pay for hacking this site and corrupting Lar's original account. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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don't have one won't buy one
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crap, I wanted to start a poll, but a poll with multiple possible answers is not possible on this forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/disagree.gif" alt="" />
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I don't have one and I know that I don't buy one in the next couple of month, maybe years. I do too much on/with my PC and my TV ... oh, I have one ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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I won't buy a console... I don't even have a TV to connect it to.
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I won't buy a console... I don't even have a TV to connect it to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
"In jedem Winkel der Welt verborgen ein Paradies"
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got a broken one which isn't fixable. I don't plan to buy a new one and definetely not to bay any rpg for a console
E pensando di lei Mi sopragiunse uno soave sonno Ego dominus tuus Vide cor tuum
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not plannin on buyin 1, if i buy 1 it would probably be a wii
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Don't own one and won't buy one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
btw: I really hope your NextGen RPG won't be released for consoles only...
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Don't own one and won't buy one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
btw: I really hope your NextGen RPG won't be released for consoles only... My guess is that they're checking the interest for a console verision of the game... Übereil
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Don't own one and won't buy one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
btw: I really hope your NextGen RPG won't be released for consoles only... My guess is that they're checking the interest for a console verision of the game... Übereil I hope you're right.
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I don´t have a console, and i don`t need one.
Das Ganze ist mehr als die Summe seiner Teile(Aristoteles) Aber wenn man das einzelne nicht mehr beachtet, hat das ganze keinen Sinn mehr (Stone)
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Well, we can't give any details about our new game yet,as in really no details at all, but what I can tell you is that we're looking at all platforms, and that the current version is playable both with mouse and controller (with different interfaces).
The controller version brings up all kinds of interesting issues such as how do you do item interaction, skill selection & inventory management, things I haven't really seen done well in existing console games, but then again, I haven't played them all, so I most likely missed things.
We've got something now which looks like it might become interesting, but bright ideas are more than welcome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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Nope... not buying a console of any type.... BUT Lar_g: while you guys are looking at using controllers too..... Please make it compatible with programable gaming keyboards... Ideazon - FangPads and Zboards As far as i am aware, this is not a difficult procedure, as it only requires one of the developers to send through a list of ideal short-cut keys and what they are used for... the Ideazon team will provide all the utilities to create a downloadable Mod for the keyboards... Optionally... (ideally from a marketing perspective) Ideazon brings out custom keyboard layouts (asside from the programable MOD keyboard - which is hot-swop-able) that game developers use to further market the game. I for 1 will be one of the first to buy a Larian-layout keyboad, to make the next RPG a dream to play. Guildwars - among various other games, Used this majorly to their advantage, by selling the keyboard-kit along with the game, (or was it the other way aroung... buy the keyboard with guildwars set and get the game with... anyways same concept). Very popular games, that used the Zboard to further promote their game playability Just something to look at.... at least the MOD...
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I own a PS2, but that was a present and I don't intend to get any other console. I find them incredibly limited compared to the PC.
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I have a PSOne. There's no plans to get another console, but I might be sold on the Wii. I'll try my brother-in-laws Wii for a while first.
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Well, we can't give any details about our new game yet,as in really no details at all, but what I can tell you is that we're looking at all platforms, and that the current version is playable both with mouse and controller (with different interfaces).
The controller version brings up all kinds of interesting issues such as how do you do item interaction, skill selection & inventory management, things I haven't really seen done well in existing console games, but then again, I haven't played them all, so I most likely missed things.
We've got something now which looks like it might become interesting, but bright ideas are more than welcome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
Lar is it playable with wiimote too? think that would be interesting concept
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I doubt Wii posseses the graphical abilities, anyway for controllers a quick menu for special actions (left-shoulder-button + analog-stick to choose from 5 actions), playing the game you'll learn the actions by hard and be able to do the action fast with actually looking at the quickmenu. Rightschoulderbutton would then activate drag-and-drop for items...
It's one of these days...
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I'm getting a Wii and an Xbox 360.
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Got a PS2 but just can't seem to get on with it or the games, them fiddly thumb controls are so awkward, every character i control looks drunk when i make him walk. The only game i have completed on the PS2 is MGS3. Bought The Sopranos this week and played it for about half an hour before saying to my kids..."here you go, you play it"
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Hi Lar, Happy X360 gamer for one year now. I'm personally looking forward to play a larian RPG from my comfy cough. Congratz with the ISM deal btw. http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=14662Cristo - Otsirc
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Visit http://www.ism-agency.com/agency for more information on ISM. In a nutshell, they are game industry veterans who use their experience to help out independent studios maximize their potential. They're quite cool. Lar
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Currently, Larian is working on a next-gen RPG for the PS3, PC, and Xbox 360 and are touring the U.S. with ISM Interesting....
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If they are good ... then why not ? I believe it could be a great addition if they have the negotiation skills that Larian lacked a bit. My intuition says that it is a good thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it. --Dilbert cartoon
"Interplay.some zombiefied unlife thing going on there" - skavenhorde at RPGWatch
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to prevent the Div Games, let's call it "drama". Get the help you deserver <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
It's one of these days...
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"Divine Drama" ? Then why not "Divine Comedy" ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it. --Dilbert cartoon
"Interplay.some zombiefied unlife thing going on there" - skavenhorde at RPGWatch
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I have gorgeous and vintage ATARI Jaguar ... (lol)
I play only on computer It is more evolutif and that allow to correct bugs with the wire of time (cause some isometric RPG are sometimes stuffed of bug!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />)
how hope you correct bugs or install patchs on console ?
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"Divine Drama" ? Then why not "Divine Comedy" ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> Oh hmm I see I was bit confused so I retry, to prevent the CD&V games (let's call it) drama. Get the help you deserve!
It's one of these days...
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I will buy a X360 in a year or so.
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I got a PS2, but my PC stays the primary gaming platform. Probably cause I can upgrade it whenever I want,while with Xbox, PS, etc you have to wait for a new versions. If i would have the funds, i would buy a PS3 as soon as it's avaible, but at the moment i'm saving for a new PC.
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I currently have: Dreamcast, Gamecube <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I will get a Wii soon Maybe a 360 in a year or so, not so sure
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Since I now have sweet little girl to play with (7 months) I don't even get to use my PC to play something. So it will take some years for the need of such a box to come up again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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I don't plan on buying one. Now that consoles have been brought up, i am going to express a concern i have. I am afraid that by going to consoles, it will be dumbed down to fit the console style of play. I see what happened with games like Oblivion and Dues X2, and they were dumbed down so they could gain acceptance by the console community. I love the DD games and i would hate to see something like that happen.
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me too, that's my worst fear for the next rpg
E pensando di lei Mi sopragiunse uno soave sonno Ego dominus tuus Vide cor tuum
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lets hope the main focus will be PCs
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I agree that too many games have been reduced for the common gamer.
Though I'd still like to see Larian's next gen game hit the next gen systems (I like to play a balance of PC and Console <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ), I have to stress what I always stress for games, writing, and tv/movies:
Do not mess with the art of great work to make the noobs happy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
Just for example, I've seen too many movies reduced from their book selves because it would be "too complex for the audience". Sure, I can understand changing a few things to get more viewers, but come on: they always go too far....
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XmasEek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
Back to the matter: ... +1 on the vote for some console work (as long as we keep the PC as the main goal: thats where all the fans are). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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I dont have any console, just computers, just bought a new one and in great expectation for it, since its a damn high configuration, i'm buying it to play Nwn2 but seeing the preview of next generation larian rpg, i think all the money im spending will make up when the game release. I dont have intention to buy a console, even more a new one, prices here for consoles like ps2 are way too high.
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I don't own one either, nor am I planning to buy one. My PC is all I need <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />.
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Not in the mood for cheese? That excuse has more holes than a slice this fine Gorgombert!
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I've just found a facinating thread over at MMORPG.COM on this very subject: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/112786I find it's usually the young generations that are console gamers, I know thats how I started out. But as you get older you find the games on PC are better, more mature, more structured for people that are over 18 years old instead of 90% of the over-sexed, over-violent garbage you see these days on consoles.
Then we have a little thing called Modding on the PC that I would wager drives a good quarter of the PC gaming market, if not more. Games on PC are generally bigger and longer lasting to begin with. With modding in there, a game can be enjoyable and fresh years down the road. I couldn't agree more with this quote <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />.
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This thread isn't a console vs. pc thread.
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This thread isn't a console vs. pc thread. But it might help Larian with the bringing-the-game-out-on-an-console question.
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I believe that both platforms have their unique weaknessess and strenghth. (Uh, spelling ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> )
I think it would be rather productive for Larian if we could figure out both, and thus giving Larian a hint where they have to invest more work (to soothe the flaws) if they realöly indend to bring it out on both consoles & PCs.
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it. --Dilbert cartoon
"Interplay.some zombiefied unlife thing going on there" - skavenhorde at RPGWatch
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I've got my wii hooked up on my computer screen. It's just a couple of mm to thick or I would have build it into my pc . I am a pc gamer since I think keyboard + mouse is just better then console controls. But this is where the wii shines out. Playing zelda I still mis a keyboard but the swinging of your sword just feels good. And wii sports wouldn't be the same with a mouse. So both have unique capabilities. But if larian is thinking of porting. Go wii, the mouse that you use with pc can be replaced with the wimote. I don't think it would be that easy to scroll the inventory with a 360 controller. And because of developer difficulties with PS3, the wii is the only one left. So if you do port port wii. Imagine slashing you opponents with you wiimote
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I'm like some of the others. I don't own a console and don't plan on it either. I do own a TV but I rarely watch anything on it except for sports. Why wait for news, scores, etc. to come on TV when the internet has it 2 minutes after it's happened <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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I've got a PS2. Perhaps I will buy a Xbox360 one day, but not for sure.
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LOL I still have a Sega Genesis (CD) laying around somewhere, and I also recently won an Xbox 360 (compliments of Dell) which is still in the box .... cause basically I can play better games on PC and the others well there are "Emulators" that I can use on the PC to play console games <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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"next gen" consoles: (At this point I am highly unlikely to invest in another console, but see below)
DS: Most likely console purchase any time in the next year or so. It's priced right, so are the games, and it actually has console style games and alot of games that I like. Plus at c. 20M sold, I expect to see many more good games before it's life is over.
Wii: looking to offer best console gaming experience as it's limited resources(compartively speaking v. XBOX360 and PS3) should force game designers to be more creative and less reliant on eye candy and other extraneous niceties in favor of actual games and game play. Also has a significant price advantage in both console and game costs. Solid first party title potential, and Nintendo QA.
XBOX360: more M$ and hijacked PC games at higher prices.
PS3: overpriced console and game, and looks to be set to not do all that well along with, again, having the same old, same old games plus, and likely, some hijacked PC games if Sony can move enough units.
A large part of the above is that I expect "console style" games for my console, and PC games for my PC. I don't care much for the limitations that console portability imposes on what would have been PC games. Also the XBOX360 and PS3 are seriously missing any sort of current or upcoming compelling titles, while even some of the simplest Wii games seem to be pretty enticing, but not enough for me to buy yet or ever maybe.
Currently as to recent consoles, I own a PS2 and was not impressed by most of the games that came out for it. As alluded to above the XBOX was a gimped PC with hijacked PC games(I own a PC for those), and the gamecube was late to the party(i.e. not much 3rd party support), and still didn't get it wrt propietary formats. I also own: intellivision, Lynx, turbografx, SNES, Jaguar, Nintendo 64(another disappointment), gameboy, gameboy color, gameboy advance, and a psx.
Of the above, the best bangs for the buck were provided by the Intellivision, SNES, psx, and various gameboys. The rest were mostly disappointing either from type of games, quality of games, and/or 3rd party support or lack thereof.
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Hello, everyone. I've just found this on RPGWatch : http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157441I've got suddenly a very STRONG urge to bang my head to the nearest wall ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" /> Alrik
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it. --Dilbert cartoon
"Interplay.some zombiefied unlife thing going on there" - skavenhorde at RPGWatch
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Wheb doing a quick google search for info on the nextgen title, I came to some PS3 and 360 games sites that posted the test screenshots. Now I think it's because of the "next gen" that they think it will be released on those consoles (a fact that can become true). But the wii is always overlooked because it is underpowered (a fact I don't believe). So my question actually is. if larian decides to go console, does the wii have enough power to run the game? Watching Zelda or red steel i believe it could be possible.
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I don't own a next-gen console. I used to have an Atari 2600 in the early 80s, but that probably doesn't count. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I don't plan on buying a console in the forseeable future, either. It would require me to also buy a large TV set, and since I don't watch TV, that would not be worth the investment.
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My wii is hooked up to my pc screen <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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I don't own a console. And I never will, unless somebody gives it to me for free (in which case I will need to find some space in my house for junk).
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I own a PS2 and since recently own a PS3.
I think it's possible for Larian to make a good RPG that's not being dumbed down for console owners.
Concerning the controller issues regarding the complex commands to perform, many games before have made a good use of all the controller buttons, and offered sometimes a real wide variety of possibilities by combining those buttons.
I do think a part of the console community is "immune" to the Larian-type of games (PC style RPG's), but another part of that community (I know it's a bit presomptuous to speak in their name, but what the hell...) really wants nothing more than getting a complex game with a deep background to play in the comfort of their couch.
And don't forget, a lot of console owners are just poor gamers who can't afford a good up-to-date computer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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I got a Wii for Christmas and love it. But when it comes to RPG, I loves me PC. I love keyboard/mouse control, and I love finding new mods.
That being said - the crackhouse that is BioWare is leading me towards an XBox 360 with a trail of shiny Mass Effect. Trying...to...resist....
"If I love you, what business is it of yours?"
—Goethe—
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veteran
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Joined: Mar 2003
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got an X360 and loving every minute of it.
Viper
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stranger
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Joined: Sep 2007
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Please don't hurt the depth and complexity of the game just for the consoles.
To see how other console games manage inventory ect- check out metal gear solid 3 and resident evil 4.
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stranger
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Joined: Oct 2007
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I own a 360, a ps2, psp, ds and an up to date pc. I used to hate it when a platform I didn't own got an exclusive. So since me and my partner are both regular gamers, we decided to invest in every system, so no top-game would escape our grasp...
We still have a little way to go, but I'de rather wait a bit before getting a ps3 or a Wii
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veteran
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Joined: May 2003
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Wii and 360
They rock.
But I spend more time on my PC =/
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Joined: Mar 2003
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I don't have one and won't buy one.
AND PLEASE if you make an RPG for both PC and Console DO NOT use the same interface for both. A console interface ported to PC is sooooo annoying...
Insanity Is Just A Matter Of Opinion
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old hand
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old hand
Joined: Mar 2003
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I don't have one and won't buy one.
AND PLEASE if you make an RPG for both PC and Console DO NOT use the same interface for both. A console interface ported to PC is sooooo annoying... I can't agree more, good point. But more important is the contents...I fear it will be sized down for console players.
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old hand
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old hand
Joined: Nov 2003
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I own an old Xbox - but I'd sooner upgrade my beloved PC before I'd buy a newer console.
Did own a Wii - but got sick of it and traded it into Game.
My only hope is that the game is tailored for each platform rather than compromised to fit all.
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apprentice
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Joined: Oct 2007
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i just have a pc!! an he yesterday dies <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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veteran
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Joined: Apr 2003
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What's a console.......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
[color:"#33cc3"] Jurak'sRunDownShack!Third Member of Off-Topic Posters Defender of the [color:"green"]PIF. [/color] Das Grosse Grüne Ogre!!! [/color]
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veteran
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Joined: Jun 2003
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What's a console.......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> It reminds me the good old times. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
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stranger
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Joined: Dec 2003
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Hah! Finnaly an excu... err, I mean an OPPORTUNITY to ran... err, I mean TALK about consoles. So here goes:
I will not buy games for consoles that are available for the PC. Not Ever.
I think I will get a Wii sooner or later.
The Xbox 360 has some nice stuff, but probably not.
As for the PS3: Sorry, I´m not buying a 400€ console to play 1 game (Metal Gear Solid 4). Damn you Kojima Productions, DAMN YOU!!!
Frankly, there are precious few console games that are actually interesting enough to justify the investment (stuff like Zelda, Metroid, God of War, MGS, Geist, Eternal Darkness, a few others). The rest are: - The occasional action-adventure - A lot of formulaic Japano-CRPGs - A ton of absolutly braindead shooters/first-person-shooters - 1 * 10^100000000000 sports/racing games
Not a lot of variety, is it? Also, the action adventures are mostly hum-drum with a a few nice ones sneaked in between (Zelda, for example). CRPGs are so formulaic that only the very best can distract me for even a short while from the fact that I have played the same game with different names a hundred times before Almost all the Shooters/FPSs are braindead, give me Noone Lives Forever or System Shock 2 over Halo 3 any day! And to add insult to injury, they cannot even match the PC in the most important selling point for FPS: Eye candy. It will take at least 2 generations before consoles will even get close to Crysis. And the only explanation I can find for using two sticks and a gazillion buttons over the simple elegance of WASD + a mouse with 2 buttons and a wheel... Masochism! Finnaly I simply dont like sports/racing games. Thus, looking through the shelves and seeing that 90% of the games fall into this category is a slap in the face.
I hope I have not bored and/or insulted anyone to much with my rantings. But I occasionally need to vent on consoles because they suck up the majority of production capital in the Software Entertainment business, while putting out maybe 1 or 2 games a year with any merit whatsoever (from my perspective), and even fewer that could not have been ported to the PC, were it not exclusiveness deals) Worse, they often cause PC games to be dumbed down, both to adapt the gameplay to the inferior User-Interface possibilities, and to apeal more to the mythical "mass-market", which apparently consists exclusively of male american teenagers with attention spans that you´ld need an atomic clock to measure.
No I don´t really believe that. But the marketing departments of publishers for consoles do.
So for the love of whatever entities you worship, Lar, do NOT get involved with the console world in any way that would give them any influence, whatsoever, over your work.
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enthusiast
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Joined: Jan 2005
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No console,not now,not ever!!
And please don't dumb down,size down,use console interface,etc,etc,etc,to suit console players.
The long standing fans of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> and <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beyond.gif" alt="" /> are PC players!
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journeyman
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Joined: Jun 2003
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And to add insult to injury, they cannot even match the PC in the most important selling point for FPS: Eye candy. It will take at least 2 generations before consoles will even get close to Crysis.
But you would also need to buy a new PC that costs twice as much as an Xbox 360 or a PS3 to actually see that eyecandy*. When you buy a console, you know that you can still buy and play the newest games 3 years in the future. I agree completely on everything else though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. * a new nVidia card (the Geforce 8800 GT) can give you 19 frames per second (with the demo set to 1280x1024, all details set to very high and using DirectX 10). You can ofcourse buy two and put them in a SLI configuration, which is much better, but then you will have to pay another 250€, more than half a console.
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stranger
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Joined: Dec 2003
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And to add insult to injury, they cannot even match the PC in the most important selling point for FPS: Eye candy. It will take at least 2 generations before consoles will even get close to Crysis.
But you would also need to buy a new PC that costs twice as much as an Xbox 360 or a PS3 to actually see that eyecandy*. When you buy a console, you know that you can still buy and play the newest games 3 years in the future. I agree completely on everything else though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />. Well, thats the whole point: If they cannot be on the cutting edge graphics-wise, they better up their games with good gameplay. Halo 3 has many people stifling yawns because it´s just MOTS. Also, why a genre for which consoles are inherently inferior is so prevalent on them is beyond me. Oh, and sure, you can buy the "newest" games for 3 years. Except that the "newest" games will steadily fall further and further behind technolically. So consoles do not slow the breakneck pace at which game hardware becomes obsolete at all, they merely "hide it from view". And once the 3 years are up, no more new games are made for your console, effectively turning it into an overpriced Emulator for nostalgia-games. And while I´ll be the first to admit that keeping up with the State of the Art on the PC will bleed you dry financially, it becomes a lot more affordable if you stick to the mid-range products. Example: If you stick a new 200€ graphics card into your PC every 2-3 years, you can play roughly 75% of games with 75% of the graphic bells&whistles turned on. Yes, in the long run console HARDWARE will a bit less expensive. The reason for that is that the manufacturers are actually LOOSING money on the consoles themselves (with the notable exception of the Wii), which they make back via the licensing fees from 3rd party games. This is why prices for console games are so obscene; this is only a very rough estimate, but the financial "break-even" point between consoles and PCs of equal horsepower is at about 5 games.
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journeyman
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Joined: Jun 2003
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aha, but if you put a new 200€ videocard in a 2 year old system, no way that you can run crysis just as nice as halo 3 on a Xbox360 (perhaps just as good as Halo 2, I don't know, never played halo 2 or 3). Thinking about it more, I think you are probably right, and the total amount of money out in both systems doesn't differ much in the long run. But this is the case for FPS games, and as far as I know Larian isn't making a FPS.
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stranger
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Joined: Dec 2003
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You think so? Try running Halo 3 on a PC monitor. Remember that 1080p is considered "hi-res" for the TV, which is why PC monitors are notorious for exposing a lot of ugliness that a TV mercifully hides.
Oh, and I was just rant... err, talking about Consoles in general. In fact, I would be rather surprised if Larians next game would use 1st person perspective... but like you said, we dont know either way.
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journeyman
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Joined: Jun 2003
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I will have to take your word for it, as I don't have a console or Halo 3 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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Joined: Dec 2006
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I got a PS3 now, but I'm not sure if I want larian's next rpg on it.
I think I would still enjoy the game more using the keyboard and mouse. Also I have this thing against ports because they usually kinda suck.
But I was wondering does it still matter that we talk about making the game for the consoles or not ? Haven't they decided on this yet ?
There is no spoon !
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journeyman
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I couldn't agree more with you. I hate consoles (although my teenage Son loves his - he has an Xbox and a PS2) and would personally never play an RPG game on one. A game is much more immersive close up on a monitor/lcd than at a distance on a TV screen no matter how big it is. A few games, not naming any, which have been ported over as you mention have been dreadful on the pc. The PC is far superior graphically and as far as control systems go and ease of use. My hands would give up if I had to use a controller for long periods. Console games seem to be made very easy too and don't seem challenging enough. I've played other types of game on them, like platform games and quizzes which work better that way but for an RPG or shooter definitely PC. Another thing about the PC which is good is fan created content which can be downloaded for some games without requiring you to have another online account.
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Joined: Nov 2007
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Meh, I'd get one in the future but not right now.. I'm quite busy now and have enough games on the pc as it is.
I wonder if Larian plans to release the next gen game for the Wii too.
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Joined: Mar 2003
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[color:"orange"]I wonder if Larian plans to release the next gen game for the Wii too.[/color]
I think trying to design a control system that works well on both the PC and XBox is challenging enough, without adding a quite different style of controller.
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addict
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Joined: Nov 2007
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[color:"orange"]I wonder if Larian plans to release the next gen game for the Wii too.[/color]
I think trying to design a control system that works well on both the PC and XBox is challenging enough, without adding a quite different style of controller. Well, an article from a while back, said that they were developing for the PS3 too. Did they drop that option? http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21557
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veteran
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Joined: May 2003
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Is that confirming ISM?
I have a Wii, which I only play Wii Sports when friends are over.
Xbox 360, play occasionally.
Gamecube like once a week, n64 like never.
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[color:"orange"]an article from a while back, said that they were developing for the PS3 too. Did they drop that option?[/color]
Not as far as I know, I just forgot that Lar mentioned the PS3 along with the XBox at the start of this topic. Also, I had to do a quick google search on the PS3 controller to jog my memory that it also used motion controls. However, the Wii controllers have a lot greater range of motion than the PS3 gamepad, so presumably using them to their best extent would require more work and possibly a different interface. I have not played any current generation console games, though, so maybe game design and interface controls are not as difficult to reconcile as I expect.
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Is that confirming ISM?
I have a Wii, which I only play Wii Sports when friends are over.
Xbox 360, play occasionally.
Gamecube like once a week, n64 like never. Well, unless said site is fake, that's probably true. Besides, Larian themselves confirmed it: http://www.larian.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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[color:"orange"]an article from a while back, said that they were developing for the PS3 too. Did they drop that option?[/color]
Not as far as I know, I just forgot that Lar mentioned the PS3 along with the XBox at the start of this topic. Also, I had to do a quick google search on the PS3 controller to jog my memory that it also used motion controls. However, the Wii controllers have a lot greater range of motion than the PS3 gamepad, so presumably using them to their best extent would require more work and possibly a different interface. I have not played any current generation console games, though, so maybe game design and interface controls are not as difficult to reconcile as I expect. Yeah, you brought up some good points. I haven't tried consoles for years... so I tend to forget about all those factors like vibration feedback and interface layouts. Regardless, it remains to be seen how their nextgen game will fare on consoles.
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stranger
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Joined: Nov 2007
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I own a PlayStation 2,do you still see it as a console? -Elerrea Stormwhisper
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journeyman
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I own a PlayStation 2,do you still see it as a console? It's probably more a console than the PS3 will ever be. But I don't think it's 'next-gen' enough (whatever that means) to be taken into account here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
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stranger
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Got a xbox360, and play everything there, all my RPG collection is on it
Last edited by labwarrior; 10/08/08 10:48 AM.
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old hand
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Joined: Jun 2003
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Even the new Final Fantasy isn't gonna be a PS exclusive anymore
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stranger
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Joined: Aug 2008
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I don't have a console and don't intend to buy one. Mostly because all console games end up oN PC with visual and gameplay updates/fixes.. so basically, all console users are just beta testing those games for PC gamers :P Anyways, I intend to upgrade my 6800GS display card when Rage comes out. Since I can play even Crysis with almost high settings on this card, I want to wait for id Software's game for an upgrade. Also, I hope that PC gamers won't have to deal with console like controls and visuals (blurry textures, low draw distance) and the game comes out with enough options to customize all graphics details. I have been playing Devil May Cry 4 on my PC (with Logitech Rumble Pad Pro.. best gamepad ever) and that game has to be the first port done properly without loss in visual quality (actually, it looks better than consoles). BUT, they kept the shitty GUI, so you have to deal with huge text, insane options that confuse you and sometime exit you right out of the game if not careful. Not to mention the dumb save game system that still makes you start the level from the start while only saving the bonus and similar progress in saves. Looking forward to Divinity 2 EDIT: BTW, I hope that Divinity 2 makes use of dual core CPU's. The reason I can run latest games on 'almost' max quality is mostly because I am running XP x64 with 3 gb DDR. Basically, I had to add only 1 more ram module for like $10 in last 5 years as an upgrade to improve performance. I hate it when games don't come optimised for new tech.
Last edited by ortucis; 10/08/08 01:22 PM.
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stranger
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EDIT: BTW, I hope that Divinity 2 makes use of dual core CPU's. The reason I can run latest games on 'almost' max quality is mostly because I am running XP x64 with 3 gb DDR. Basically, I had to add only 1 more ram module for like $10 in last 5 years as an upgrade to improve performance. I hate it when games don't come optimised for new tech.
The game is using oblivion TES engine, soo don't worry about dual core support, the question it is if the game use quadcore
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veteran
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Joined: Mar 2003
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Personally, I find rather creative game more for consoles instead for the PC ... Which makes me thinking ...
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it. --Dilbert cartoon
"Interplay.some zombiefied unlife thing going on there" - skavenhorde at RPGWatch
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apprentice
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i have a Wii and i'm planning to buy a PS3 but probably not untill next year, when FFXIII is released
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