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Then you're an idiot. I don't believe in The Holy Trinity and thus I can't be Catholic. Never once did I call myself Catholic. I could be Buddhist, Jewish or even Muslim but you assume everyone who believes in God must be Christian because you hate them because they don't swear and don't want porn in games. I've read The Bible from start to finish and I've seen it proven with the archaeological evidence:


Ha!

I hate them because they don't swear and don't want porn in games? Quote me saying that. Quote me saying I WANT porn in games. Quote me swearing.

Oh wait, you can't.

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This means that The Bible is indeed true and this means God is true. If God is real (which He is) that makes Him the moral lawgiver and if He proclaims paedophilia, homosexuality, murder and porn are wrong, who am I to judge Him? I think you'll find God is a loving God, He proved that with Jesus - His son who forgave adulterers, forgave those who killed Him, forgave the one who betrayed Him and forgave the ones who mocked Him and then died for us. That sounds like a very merciful and loving God to me. But once again, you're bringing religion back into this and I told you to leave it of off the game forums and since you attacked my religion, I had to defend it back.



Contradictions are even on the very first page - world wasn't created about 15 thousand years ago, and it wasn't created in 7 days.

http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm - read them all.

About morality, you failed too.

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil%20Bible%20Quotes.htm

God adores burnt sacrifices http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYmXXk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Your god adores killing and is completely false. Your god is morally inferior to you, so you can judge him. He's disgusting.

God contradicts himself in his choppy book, which proves he isn't unfallible if he by some sick chance exists - his book is worthless. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Besides I attacked no religion - just pointed the truth about biblical god...

And I made a mistake, I wrote "catholic" but wanted to write christian. My apologies.

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Wow. You actually think the original poster wanted violence like that? Children see blood at early age when they cut themselves, to exclude it from a game for 12 year olds is just plain stupid but to include porn in a game for children is just plain sick. I never claimed to want intestines spilling out of my enemy when I kill him in Divinity II. I claimed that having some blood spill from the enemy, would make me feel immersion into the combat more. Having limbs flying everywhere would make the game an 18 and even Dragon Age didn't have that kind of violence.


Read the posts I was answering to. It was mostly an example of what most "moralists" do.

No game for 12 years old would be released with porn, but... Seriously? It's a bit hypocrytical, because 12 year old can easily find it with writing one thing on the internet, even by accident. I myself, like 7 years ago (when I was 12) wrote something related to my homework on the internet and on google, I saw some porn images.

Porn can't be avoided and it's not bad in any way, so why prohibit something children will get and want to get anyway? I started watching it being 13, I hardly see any negative. Most of people do watch it around 11-14, no negative effects at all.

We're frisky creatures and it can't be helped - it's pleasurable, so do it.

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Having some blood spill from an enemy when you attack them is hardly nothing and children see this at school when they get into fights, in programs on before the watershed and even in films that are aimed at children (not young, maybe 10 - 13 years of age).

Having nudity, sex scenes and sexual references in a game like Divinity II, just wouldn't be right. Nudity shouldn't be included in games like Divinity II regardless of morals here. Blood would make sense in Divinity II, nudity wouldn't. That's all that needs to be said. There are no romance sub plots so why should any nudity be in the game? Women never ran around medieval England naked (which if memory serves me correct, was against the law and still is) wielding a sword. So if we're being reasonable here, blood had more chance of making it into the next Divinity game than nudity.


Quote me saying I WANT nudity in Divinity 2. You can't yet again. Read carefully next time.

Quote me saying I want pornography in Divinity 2. I also stated there is even no romance plot here I think! Sex scenes like in ME2 could fit though without raising the rating, if they added something...

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This is completely untrue. Most porn stars are depressed. Can you give another reason why someone would degrade themselves for videos? Saying "because they WANT too" is poor logic. Next you will be trying to justify prostitution.

Anyway, how all of this stemmed from one man's wish for some blood in the game is beyond me.



Most porn stars live in villas - is it untrue? No, it's truth.

I say yet again - some people WANT to be watched, some people release their amateur videos for free - they don't feel degraded by it, they WANT to do it. Is it untrue? No, it's truth.

You can't say "completely untrue" when you can't find untruth in my posts.

...Continuing the thought, some also want money from it (pornstars). If they are depressed, well why do I care, even normal actors get depressed all the time - it's just like that with famous people. If they don't want to do it then they shouldn't, why should I care?

Don't want to do it? Don't do it! It's that easy! No one is forcing you. Leave the business!

I wouldn't care if some movie actor got depressed and left the movies altogether either, unless I was his fan. So why making drama about thing that's pointless?

Besides, I also get depressed from time to time. Everyone does, either more or less.
Every kind of job can bring you depression.
So what, should be prohibit everything then? Great way of thinking, pal!

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Exactly!

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We just take the title to another level! We interpret Larian, as we're their biggest fans out there.

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A shame I can't see that "naughty" post! frown


I've PMed it to you. I saved it in case I got into bother and had to defend myself to the mods.

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Can't you quit it with all your gods discussion. The atheist I am is bored and would like to talk about blood and gore.

Someone said blood and gore ?

I really loved blood and gore in quake4 (and madworld evil ), I wouldn't like it in Divinity2. Why ? It doesn't fit the game. With all the puns (Gondolf the mage), the references (Eugene and his axe), a world where there is a nice necromancer, a farmer who loves his pigs and doesn't want them to die and be eaten, and most of all Bellegar Bellegar Bellegar, blood and gore would be out of place, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by GabeN


Ha!

I hate them because they don't swear and don't want porn in games? Quote me saying that. Quote me saying I WANT porn in games. Quote me swearing.

Oh wait, you can't.



I never said you swore. Quote me saying that. Quote me saying that.

Oh wait, you can't.


Originally Posted by GabeN



Contradictions are even on the very first page - world wasn't created about 15 thousand years ago, and it wasn't created in 7 days.

http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm - read them all.



Contradictions are not on the first page. You obviously don't know what a contradiction is do you? Instead of quoting and listening to atheist sites, actually read The Bible. A contradiction would be if The Bible claimed God (who I have proven to be real) created the world in 7 days and then later said that He created the world in 8 days. Can you point me to the contradiction in The Bible that says that? I didn't think so.

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About morality, you failed too.

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil%20Bible%20Quotes.htm

God adores burnt sacrifices http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYmXXk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Your god adores killing and is completely false. Your god is morally inferior to you, so you can judge him. He's disgusting.

God contradicts himself in his choppy book, which proves he isn't unfallible if he by some sick chance exists - his book is worthless. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html



God likes burnt animal sacrifices. That's not evil. The false gods that people of the Middle East worshiped had humans sacrificed to them. God sent Israel's descendants to that land to kill them "After the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The LORD has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is going to drive them out before you."

Their acts are described as abominable. "They sacrifice their children.." and later we have Elijah asking God to send fire down from the Heavens to prove He exists and the followers of Ba'al are cutting themselves and asking Ba'al to show He exists. Ba'al never reveals Himself but God does and He doesn't demand death for that. Obviously you don't know what evil is do you?

Also, scientists have proven that Jews originated from the Middle East:

http://www.physorg.com/news195313667.html

This proves that humans didn't come from Africa as your false and unproven evolution would state.

Further more, you call The Bible "God's book" although it was written by Moses, King David, Elijah and the followers of Jesus. You obviously don't know much about The Bible do you?

And sorry but I lol'd @ this:


Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)

(This passage is evil because people who believe it may not get proper medical treatment for their sick children.)

The bold part is my best part. As far as I know, God forgiving sins doesn't make God evil and the passage can't be evil if it actually works and if it doesn't work, it's not evil either. Define evil, obviously the person who made that site can't.

After Googling that verse, I was presented with this site:

http://www.timeoutforgod.com/articles/Prayer_of_Faith.htm

It's coated in pink and the pictures are flowers. I guess the person who created it truly evil lol! This made my day.

That site can tell me alot about the person who made it. The colors, the decoration and the images all point towards someone who is peace loving. This woman has translated The Bible the true way which teaches peace. The people God killed are those that would rebel against peace. King David often sung how he wanted God to kill those who HATED PEACE and those are the people God killed and I agree with their deaths. If you hate peace - you make war.

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Besides I attacked no religion - just pointed the truth about biblical god...

And I made a mistake, I wrote "catholic" but wanted to write christian. My apologies.



You attacked three religions. Unlike you atheists, I have respect for all MAJOR ORGANIZED religions. Because unlike Satanism, Atheism and Raelism (all atheist religions) the major religions of this world don't call for the deaths of other people and even Islam teaches peace. I know this because I have friends and have met people from all major religions and they are all very nice people who don't wish violence on anyone. The lies you are reading from atheist sites are simply untrue and if you think true Muslims supported 9/11, then you're ignorant of the truth.

The best part is how you don't expect a debate on this. Did you think only 10 Christians in this world exist? Billions exist. Hopefully you think twice before insulting religions on a GAME FORUM. No one mentioned them so you didn't need to bring them up. To bring them up when no one is discussing them shows that you hold a deep hate for religions - specifically ones that worship God.

Even if you had attacked Judaism, Hinduism, Islam or Sikhism, I still would have defended them because from what I have seen personally. Religion changes men for the better. I've seen people give up lives of crime because of religions, so they can't be bad and when you list religious people who have killed, I'll list the rules in their religions that specifically tell them not to kill which means they never read their Koran, Torah, Bible or whatever a bit like you.


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Read the posts I was answering to. It was mostly an example of what most "moralists" do.

No game for 12 years old would be released with porn, but... Seriously? It's a bit hypocrytical, because 12 year old can easily find it with writing one thing on the internet, even by accident. I myself, like 7 years ago (when I was 12) wrote something related to my homework on the internet and on google, I saw some porn images.

Porn can't be avoided and it's not bad in any way, so why prohibit something children will get and want to get anyway? I started watching it being 13, I hardly see any negative. Most of people do watch it around 11-14, no negative effects at all.



If a 12 year old wants to see porn then, they can view it on the web. Porn shouldn't be in a game because as I have proven - it's unrealistic for a Divinity II type of game. No one was mentioning moralists, the OP only expressed how he wanted some blood in the game.

Do a test - make a game and include nudity in it. It'll get an 18 rating. Put violence into the game and it'll get a 12 rating and up depending on the amount of blood. That's how it works and porn (lust) has a more powerful effect on the brain than the eyes seeing game violence.


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Quote me saying I WANT nudity in Divinity 2. You can't yet again. Read carefully next time.

Quote me saying I want pornography in Divinity 2. I also stated there is even no romance plot here I think! Sex scenes like in ME2 could fit though without raising the rating, if they added something...



I never claimed you wanted nudity but you were defending nudity in games.

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Most porn stars live in villas - is it untrue? No, it's truth.

I say yet again - some people WANT to be watched, some people release their amateur videos for free - they don't feel degraded by it, they WANT to do it. Is it untrue? No, it's truth.

You can't say "completely untrue" when you can't find untruth in my posts.

...Continuing the thought, some also want money from it (pornstars). If they are depressed, well why do I care, even normal actors get depressed all the time - it's just like that with famous people. If they don't want to do it then they shouldn't, why should I care?


It doesn't matter where they live. They are still depressed. Ever heard of the saying "money doesn't make you happy?" This saying came to be for a reason you know even though it's not true for some people but for most celebrities and porn stars, it is true. Money doesn't make you happy if you can't buy love with it.

Porn stars do all sorts of things that are degrading. No normal person would do that stuff, so instead of masturbating over their videos, you should feel sorry for them. Your logic "they WANT to be watched" only shows that they must have some insane fixation and should be helped.

Porn shouldn't be shown to kids. It'll make them view women as meat. Porn even does that to adults. If they want sex, they should experience it the NATURAL way. Porn has been scientifically proven to be bad for people and more people find themselves ending up hating sex after using porn whenever they get an urge. So no, if it has bad effects on the brain, then it shouldn't be used.

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Look, I know I'm as guilty for doing it too, but you guys should really take this discussion to the off-topic forum where it belongs.

Just a friendly suggestion... smile

It's right here guys!

If you go there, you'll see that I've even started a little thread for you both.

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+1 this thread has become way too off topic. no reason to bring religion into this.

mods need to lock this

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A shame I can't see that "naughty" post! frown


I've PMed it to you. I saved it in case I got into bother and had to defend myself to the mods.

LOLz.
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Originally Posted by melianos
Can't you quit it with all your gods discussion. The atheist I am is bored and would like to talk about blood and gore.

Amen to that.

But this thread has had its day, so let it be locked and fade away!

So sayeth Bellegar.


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