Larian Studios Forums Divinity: Original Sin 2 Divinity - Original Sin 2 - Suggestions and Feedback Taunt being Block by Armour

On my tyranny experience, if you dont taunt, enemies go straight for backlines like this game, and tanks work brilliantly, even still you can only taunt for like 2 people, but it helps, it is viable, it is build diversity.

Shackle of pain is still worthless right now.

If you want Taunt to work, make it an Aura that works like smelly and that talent that makes melee less likely to focus you.

Taunt: While active, enemies within your range are more likely to target you. Also, enemies inside the taunt aura has a chance to deal less damage to allies.

That's one way to make a tank work that isn't just "Hard CC Damage sponge" that won't work anyway in tactician because fights in that mode is decided in like, 2 turns.

Don't forget that the combat is still purely turn based. Tanks really need real-time reaction for them to work so they can always react. Turn based tanks just watch their friends get whacked and can't do anything about it.

Exactly, making taunt ignore armor isnt making it op, you are sacrificing yourself and your defense for the sake of your team, that means your team have to keep you alive. Or you have to build pure defensive at cost of AP.

In fact taunt doesnt even work properly, i had a taunted magister/blackring just outright ignoring the debuff and start attacking my summoner instead of my summon >:(

A. That is more with the design flaw, why only pure dps matters on tactician?

B. A fully buffed tank in the current game can have nearly double his starting armor with regenerating armor each turn. This coupled with shackles of pain and heals is a real potential that is wasted right now. Let this be a thing so i dont feel so unfair when bosses uses shackles of pain on me while my version still sits in memory bank because i know it will do nothing.

Make no mistake, I dont savescum, its just tactic I use since trying honour mode in DOS1 - scouting with tankiest person, and using rest of the group as follow up. This way, you are always prepared for whatever may happen, and it doesnt violate any mechanics at all, and you dont even need to savescum (this is how you would play if you only have 1 save like in honour mode).

Again like in reallife - if you dont know whats ahead of ya, you should scout it first, so you dont walk in trap blindly.

Well tank might work in this game similary to PoE, if there was option to adopt "guard stance" at end of the turn - which could potentially double or triple the range of attacks of opportunity, so enemies can´t just bypass your tank... Using him basically as brick wall

Some fights are pure ambush in this game like the withermore Jar one, you have to know whats going on to prepare isnt it?

Instead of endless debate about tanks lets make a sensible suggestion: balance is where a skill does its job well without having too much advantage, sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Hence:

Taunt becomes a 2AP aoe armor piercing skill but only about 3/4m, sensible no?

More powerful disable than current one at cost of more ap consumption, but useful none the less.

Why? I did this fight without knowing whats ahead of me... I left my party at the entrance(as usual), and used my warrior to scout the place. Picking up jars triggered ambush, which locked my tank in combat, so I picked up rest of group and went to help. And I really had no idea whats about to happen, as I did not play EA. It works perfectly fine, and doesnt violate anything, its just clever tactics.

Only difference in EA was that I used my scoundrel/huntsman for the job, as even warriors could get instagibbed and scoundrel was better at spotting treasures, traps, switches, and was better at escaping from bad situation if needed.

I don't see the need to rebalance taunt, or that an aoe taunt is unbalanced, etc. Its current duration is only one turn of taunting, which, for a game like this where enemies frequently come in after turns, won't hesitate to teleport you away, etc, that is still practically irrelevant. If anything, it should be longer, given the 4 turn cd. All it is, is giving you a turn of breathing room - which you otherwise don't really need if you've reduced someone's armor to 0, as I can guarantee that each and everyone of you would have just knocked the enemy down, instead, now that they have no armor, which is better than taunt in most cases.

I don't care if there's a reverse-Stench talent. I don't care if taunt pierces armor. I do, however, care about the fact that tanky builds are otherwise irrelevant without the equivalent of cheesing fights. Yes, that is a viable tactic that's generally used to get past tactician, but it's stupid from a mechanical standpoint. In a game where fights are meant to be revolving around initiative, I shouldn't have to send one character in, start a fight with my tank's initiative, and then have everyone else attack the enemy regardless of initiative order in order to enter the fight, for the sole purpose of having my tank even do his job.

This game's balance is skewed by the fact that AIs will stop at nothing to CC the glass cannon, heal 'masked' undead without a care in the world, and ignore the tank completely. The purpose of taunt doesn't have to be to turn the fight into an MMO-esque tank-and-spank, it should simply be used as a way to give squishies breathing room, and to enable builds based on retaliation, shackles of pain, etc. Because, right now, there are more worthless skills and builds than there needs to be solely because the AI doesn't give them even a small iota of space to function unless they have literally no other option.

I like this suggestion. EDIT: ...but the simpler solution is still to just not have it blocked by armor.




Yeah, it turns out that sometimes just making the AI smarter isn't the best way to go. It's better to make AI that is a little less smart but a little more fair, instead of one which is very "smart" which really means that it cheats.

I don't know how well turning the taunt skill itself into an aura would work, because, as it is, enemies are allowed to move. They're just forced to focus their attacks on you. An enemy could very easily just walk out of your 'aura' radius and return to ignoring you. With the current AI, I know they would definitely do that, too.

Taunt should remain the same, just bypass armor. A talent should be added that's pretty much reverse-Stench, in that enemies are more likely to attack you regardless of where you're standing (but that doesn't mean they'll do stupid shit just to hit you - but if they're ranged and have the option between you and someone else, it should pick you most of the time, and a melee will opt to use less AP to actually hit something that turn, if you're closer, than spending literally all of their AP to change the glass cannon, only to not attack at all).

I would also be fine with a talent that just improves the chance of whoever you target, to target you. That way opportunity attacks, retaliation, etc, give a small.. 'aggro' gain, for lack of a better word.

Hmmm... that's because the effect is blocked from landing by armor, right?

Well, what if the EFFECT ignored armor, making Shackles of Pain land every time, but the damage returned WAS blocked by armor?




They could call it "Punchable Face"

on nexus there is a mod for taunt. But still can't understand Larian for doung such thins, making some skills just useless

Taunt being blocked by armor makes taunting lose it's entire core purpose.
Can't say I have much experience using it (and definitely wont now) but the entire premise sounds ridicilous

Come on guys, it's easy. Having physical armor = having "thick skin".
Seriously though, I don't understand why Taunt works this way when something like Slow (which has a much farther range) ignores armor, especially when you consider how close you have to be for it to even reach at all.

Tbh, Taunt is probably made for enemies once you see how they use it. The skill is just there for you as well because both side share the same skill pool.

The high armor enemies will jump in.
Then use Reactive armor, dealing massive damage that is likely more than enough to burn your armor in one go if you never hit them first.
And then, they taunt.

That sounds tough. Good thing that reactive armor was nerfed in yesterdays patch tho!

Oh well, RIP the tank combo. The fun part was that you could use it too and if you go full shield + physical armor + fortify + warfare and turn Tank build into a nuke build.

But if anything, it's a player nerf since enemies that do those have like 6 AP anyway so the AP cost increase doesn't do much to them.

The AI currently completely ignores your tank, saving him as last target for the most part. Taunt is useless compared to just CCing your target (knockdowns, blinds, chicken, etc), so I completely agree that taunt needs to work no matter what armor the enemy is at.

If the intention is to not make fights as boring as "Walk into the middle of the enemies and taunt" to win. That can be as simple as making certain enemies immune to Taunt, reducing the range of Taunt, or increasing the AP cost.

As far as Taunt effecting player characters. First off, you shouldn't lose control of your character like it is currently. It's taunt, not mind control. Either get rid of enemies taunting entirely, make it so enemies have to break your armor to taunt you or somwhow make it so your character is only allowed to use damaging abilities on the enemy that taunted you. (Like while it's his turn the rest of the enemies are immune to damage or untargetable)