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This is yust GREAT!
I recently downloaded the demo at www.spelletjesgarnaal.be (Dutch) (you can also from www.gamer.nl and I'm sure you'll find other multilangual sites) - 157 MB - and the game yust rocks!

You should try this one also definitly! Too bad it's very difficult for a mage to survive alone... And it's quite dark. But that doesn't matter that much. I completed it as a fighter with some natural magic to heal me.


http://www.spelletjesgarnaal.be/downloads/downloadFiche.php?id=1933
Yust wanted you guys to notice the demo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

"Tis great! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
English Version

Yeah, I saw the demo earlier today too, didn't get it yet though, maybe later, or maybe not heh.

Lionheart is actually one of those games I'm not looking forward to. Probably the aftershock of NWN. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Though maybe some day I'll try it and it could pleasantly surprise me then. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

One thing I hate about the demo: you can't run! What the hell? Everyone RUNS! As a fighter, I step up to the fight at ease, when I reach my enemy I'm half-dead... Really sucks!!

Graphics, music & speech = great!
Spells, skills & feats also.
Rangers suck - enemies see you before you see them.
Mages suck - they die in one or two hits and if you play alone no-one can "tank" them. Also, mana recovery sucks, no rest ability...

Sigh.

Hmmmm....i would have liked to play a mage... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puppyeyes.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> You can play a mage.

Ya, but Jefklak said they died too easy...

Are you SURE there are no hotkeys like SHIFT, CTRL or ALT which allow you to run?
As for mages: well, they're mages you know? Elderly men with long robes and weak body? I mean you're not supposed to go in melee.

Rangers: at early levels everyone suck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />



Same here. Although NWN was made by Bioware and Lionheart is a BlackIsle's child. Or you mean that the last game you tried was NWN so you don't want to try others?

Well, my mage in DD is pretty powerful...she kicks some butt!

for a fast download try this link demo (450 kb/s)

thx bean i'll check it out....it's only gonna take 16min. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

damn, I can't use gamespy, and almost 50% of the demos out there these days are only on gamespy, so when Bean had that Gamers Hell thing, I got like 3 demos and a movie now donwloading! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohh.gif" alt="" />

well my connection must be slow today....it took 18min for 154mb file Sheesh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

not a bad demo but i won't buy it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I don't think there are any hotkeys, I tested them all out.
The point of the weak mages is you cannot run and enemies see you before you see them and they CAN run! So they'll chase you so easy... You can't escape. OneVSOne fights aren't that difficult, but if there's another guy or beast attacking you and you are trying to cast a spell you're dead...

Remember IWD, IWD2, BG and BG2? They all didn't have running in it. The only ones who could run where your enemies. Unless you had boots of speed, which were often found in BG2, but still.

PST, Fallout and Fallout2 do show that running is possible for players too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Well, looking around on thier forum...
It seems a lot of people are very disappointed with it. It sounds to be a bad game...too bad, it had a nice idea.

I think i will wait till this one goes on sale, or they can preform miricles and fix it fast! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hehe, didn't notice that!
But still, I have the feeling I "need" the run ability. Somehow Lionheart (at least the demo) reminds me of Diablo II... Don't really know why.

http://forums.interplay.com/viewtopic.php?t=27252

If anyone cares about this game - check out this post.

Wow - the developers don't even seem to care about their fans, which are the major amount of people who would be buying this game.
And, if there are people suggesting a patch so soon after the release (or with it) that is saying a lot. I think 80% of thier hard core fans are upset with this game...

I say again, really too bad.

Thank you to Larian for listening to people's views...and doing what they can. It would be very disappionting to hear them say "if you don't like the demo, then this game probably isen't for you" Wow - talk about customer service huh????

Kay - i am done now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

that forum reminds me of going to the hospital <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" />

"if you didn't like the demo.....you probably won't like the game"....
now there's an optimistic moderator...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif" alt="" />

this forum reminds me of an active, tight-knit community <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

I feel the game is not for me. Thanks for the link, Carrie. I agree with you and Jurak.

*crosses fingers*

Star Wars: KOTOR, if you fail me, I will be forced to abandon RPG games until Riftrunner is released (luckily not too far away <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />).


Subnote: Praise the Divine One for he favours me! Hitman3 is being made. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Ok, this might not belong in a RPG forum very much, but heck, I bet Hitman3 has potential to be better than Lionheart. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Even more, mate! Freedom Fighters is made too :0). But Hitman 3 will wait a bit, I guess. At least untill FF is released <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

In the german RPG chat there is also a discussion about the Demo.

Some say that the chars are quite crappy animated (Marian says this, too, in this sense).

Another complaint is that the enemies are able to run, whereas the own char isn't. (Bows as short-range weapons. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> )

If I wasn't downloading a 700+ mb file I'd download the demo to trash it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

What else have they said Alrik?

Ahh, Marian was just being nice...to the obviously inferior animator... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> the demo sucks, i tried it again today, and unless you've got children who really must have this game....i say save your money.....and your time downloading the demo......bargain bin.......hello!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

somewhat reminds me of the voice from beauty and the beast...... 2 thumbs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/down.gif" alt="" />

it's comin off my comp right now.....150mb of brown,stinky stuff !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />


Actually to be honest......download mike oldfield's tube demo...it's more fun,
and i still can't figure it out.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

MONKEYS!

What kind of a name is "Lionheart"? It's not even original! The should've named the game

Much more original plus it makes me think of Brave Sir Robin from Monty Pythoon.

sigh... does this mean there's one less game for me to play?

reading the forum posts in interplay(thanks to carrie for the link), i feel that the dev's being honest by saying if u don't like it, then it's not your cup of tea. not everyone likes diablo series. there are people who trash nox. & quite a bunch of DD fans hate NWN. so what's the perfect game? don't answer that, it's rhetorical.

still, i'll be checking it out & see how i fare. if i can survive a deathclaw with a lead pipe, i may survive in the demo. wish me luck & i hope 2 bring u all with good news soon. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Hit F2 to minimize the interface (though rather annoyingly, after talking to anyone the full interface will remain on screen rather than automatically minimize again) and F9 often to quick save. If the game supports higher resolutions and does something about the monster speed I'll take another look at it. Right now, I think you have to sneak to be able to use a bow long range (if they see you, melee monsters are toe-to-toe before you can get more than one shot off, if that), and possibly keep yourself at the edge of the screen rather than centered. I think a higher agility helps with the speed.

i was waiting for some light at the tunnel's end.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

and being the warlord that i am......i'll give er another whirl.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
it's actually another of those games that shouldn't run on my computer, but does! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

big buzz in the german forum about the demo as well....any good translations? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I thought you spoke german, Jurak <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />
You can always use Babelfish to translate..

nine! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

They say that the graphics are generaly quite bad, whereas the gameplay is promising.

One reported example is a quest in the demo, where it is possible to solve it without combat !

Character-development seems to be quite good (at least that's how I understood it), and , well, generally speaking, the gameplay itself isn't that bad - except what i mentioned before.

The people in this thread have begun speculating why the graphics do look so bad, and the point is that thus game is made by Interplay, which isn't healthy nowadays. They might have fired some graphic artists, speculation goes, or even few to none at all.

Wow! And Larian is the biggest company which ever existed... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
And Black Isle is a pretty solid company...


In one of the previews (Avault I think) it was mentioned that someone finished the game without combat at all.

I think that thing with firing the graphic artists was more of a rethorical question. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> The Graphics aren't important anyway.
Well, I was saying, that the good Atmosphere in the game suffers from design faults, such as the combat (rocket-speed enemies), the useless pause function and other things.
There were three side-quests in the Demo. Deal with the thieves (you could talk them into leaving, or kill them), deal with the wasps (=Kill them), deal with the goblins (=Kill them).
Overall I'd say that the Demo is of poor quality, but something keeps me returning to it. No final judgement.

As I said ... the gameplay it self seems to be good, people report ...

A bad demo doesn't mean a bad game. Look at Divinity. The demo sucked monkeyballs. Noone likes the first dungeon.

It still has great potential. A good setting, too.
Shut up and stop complaining all - wait until the full game releases! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Actually, when I first played the first dungeon I kinda liked it.

The thing is, why release a demo if nobody is going to like it? The quake2 demo, the hitman2 demo, the Unreal Tournament (original and 2003), they're all representative of the full game (and I found them all quite good btw).

Really, if your demo isn't going to represent the full game, don't make one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Ah the Divinity Demo didn't "suck monkey balls" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> as you so eloquently put it... i thought it was a good demo.......alot better than most demos anyway.
was die Hölle um hier weitergeht! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> howz that?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/think.gif" alt="" />

I liked the DD demo. It made me buy the full game.

You sure you're in the right bard, Jefklak, if you say DD demo is bad and defend Lioneart?

A joke, yes, yet it has a grain of truth.

Yes I am. Be honest, the worse part of a RPG game is usual the beginning. Especially DD (Well, other RPG players say that too at least - I'm not the only one!) - the first dungeon. I didn't like it.

But still, the demo made me buy the game too thanks to the "look&feel" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
You have to wait for the full version of Lionheart to judge. It's like a bèta - I read somewhere the devs didn't have time to finish the demo and well, to "make the demo look good".


Yust wait. Believe me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
I am not saying the final will be better, but it might be, yes.

You might be right. Not that I am in a hurry anyway... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

hi guys & gals. janggut here to report on his brief outing with lionheart.

first of all the game's pretty great if not for the lame animation. the character poses in such a lame way that it looks a lot like freeze frame of someone half way through a step. there's no defensive pose or aggresive pose or just relaxed pose. it has to look like freeze frame. this is a rude surprise from black isle.

however, the game has more than enough good points to make it worthwhile.

preset characters are great. i have yet to try customising characters but will do when i've the time. anyway u have the usual option of characters which emphasise on either melee, ranged, or different schools of magic.

the way i see it, u gotta have combat skills. the part on stealth/sneak is good for only a while & it depends on the encounter. if u meet a high level enemy (e.g. ogre), chances are u'll get spotted anyway.

i've played characters that emphasised melee, or ranged, or magic. all worked. yes combat is hard but that's the fun factor: how to deal with baddies? honestly combat in lionheart is what i want in RRR. unless RRR can be better.

i find that melee is just as hard as ranged. & mage of either any school isn't a retard as well. i've finished the demo by using melee, ranged & lightning magic characters. i don't see either one being easier or harder to play, just different. & that's a great thing as this means HOW u play can determine the outcome. in situations where u're overwhelmed, for jurak's sake, just run damnit. come back later when u've collected your wits. retreat doesn't mean cowardice, it's part of strategy. read sun tzu.

playing different races means your stat & skill point increment as well as advantage in certain skill areas are different. i won't go into this as i think u can go to myrthos's rpgdot website to read the previews.

my conclusion is that this game is great & i'll be having a blast playing it when it comes out although i hope something can be done about the character animation.

The thing why you probably don't like the first dungeon is that you have to do it first (except for a few short quests), this is in a lot of rpg's. First there is a dungeon or something which you have to start with and when you have done that, the whole world comes open so then you can choose to go to this town or that town or do that quest and such. But in the start of the game you have to do that one dungeon.

So if you play the rpg out for a 5 times you first have to finish the dungeon, where you know every secret, and where you know where all the monsters stand and such.

Jefklak, could u send a link that has the download page? Cuase I want to all of the links u posted and I ain't able to download the game. Maybe the reason is that it ain't in english.

later phoenen

try this link <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Some german mags have the Demo on their CD-ROM. Someone living near Germany could make a trip into "unkown territory" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> and buy it, then ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />